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coop85(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

I'm going to check out my Aeroelectric book, but I was wondering if there

are any thoughts out there regarding the combo toggle switch/circuit

breakers (model W31 on Stein Air's site)?  Seems like a pretty simple way to

go, am I missing something?



Thanks,

Marcus



(Hey Razor!)



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rv10es(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

I used these switched wherever I needed a CB and a switch.  They  

simplify the wiring.  I have a few friends using these in their RVs  

without any problems.  I don't think that you are missing anything.

rob kermanj

rv10es(at)earthlink.net



On Feb 9, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:



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 <coop85(at)bellsouth.net>



 I'm going to check out my Aeroelectric book, but I was wondering if  

 there

 are any thoughts out there regarding the combo toggle switch/circuit

 breakers (model W31 on Stein Air's site)?  Seems like a pretty  

 simple way to

 go, am I missing something?



 Thanks,

 Marcus



 (Hey Razor!)



 Do Not Archive

Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

I use one as the Avionics Master in my RV-6.  800+ hrs, no regrets.



Tim

-- 

Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)

RV-6A N47TD -- 830 hrs

RV-10 #40059 under construction



Marcus Cooper wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I'm going to check out my Aeroelectric book, but I was wondering if there

 are any thoughts out there regarding the combo toggle switch/circuit

 breakers (model W31 on Stein Air's site)?  Seems like a pretty simple way to

 go, am I missing something?

 

 Thanks,

 Marcus

 

 (Hey Razor!)

 

 Do Not Archive

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

Rob's right.  I don't have any in my plane, but it would have been

great if I did.  I'd consider them perfect for things like the

Landing lights, strobe lights, nav lights, and stuff like that.

They'll cost more, but when you combine a switch and breaker price

it's probably a wash.  If I ever need more breaker space, that's

how I'll be getting it.

I'd also highly recommend the fuse blocks for all of your

misc. circuits. They're also on SteinAir's site.  My theory on

fuses vs. circuit breakers was this:

If the item was an incidental item to flight, or highly unlikely

to ever have a fuse blow, I put it on a fuse.  Things like WSI

weather, ANR power, Entertainment power, my LED Nav Lights,

Start switch, annunciator lights, and even some basic avionics

like the encoder are all on fuses.  These things for the most

part should never blow unless there's a problem, and in that case

I wouldn't really care to change a fuse in flight anyway.

The reason I put some items on breakers was to be able to pull

power to something if you want to.  In the case of flaps, Trim,

and Autopilot, I see this as particularly important, as you don't

want any runaway controls that you can positively un-power.

For all the others, some will fit the use of switches quite well

as mentioned above, and some might be easiest to just put on a

breaker.

That's probably more than you wanted for info, and it's all just

personal preference, but I'd encourage you to come up with a

personal logical theory that you are comfortable with and then

try to fit your items into that mold.  Also, when you're planning

for circuits, give yourself room for more switches, and add

a couple of spare blank breakers and fuses.  During the

final electrical wiring I found I needed a couple more than I

planned for.

I can also highly recommend B&C's 48 tab ground block.  I actually

used over 48 connections so a couple terminals have more than one

ground wire on them.  It does a great job of concentrating the grounds.

Tim

Tim Olson -- RV-10  #40170

Current section: Transition Training

rob kermanj wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I used these switched wherever I needed a CB and a switch.  They 

 simplify the wiring.  I have a few friends using these in their RVs 

 without any problems.  I don't think that you are missing anything.

 rob kermanj

 rv10es(at)earthlink.net

 On Feb 9, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:

> 

>

> I'm going to check out my Aeroelectric book, but I was wondering if there

> are any thoughts out there regarding the combo toggle switch/circuit

> breakers (model W31 on Stein Air's site)?  Seems like a pretty simple 

> way to

> go, am I missing something?

>

> Thanks,

> Marcus

>

> (Hey Razor!)

>

lammers.david(at)mcleodus
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

Marcus,

You're not missing anything.  I used these exclusively on my RV-6 and am 

very happy with them.  I used them to eliminate the single-point-failure 

prone "avionics master switch".  Strategically and ergonomically placed 

in logical groups, and with each avionics element on an individual 

breaker, you can turn on and off the avionics almost as quickly as with 

a common master switch with much improved reliability.  I am planning on 

using these on my RV-10.  I am not familiar with the model W31 version 

which Stein sells.  Be sure you are getting DC rated units!!  AC rated 

units are available, will appear to work ok, and will pass your load 

testing, etc.. but will have dramatically shortened life.

Good luck,

Dave Lammers

RV-6 N6X

RV-10 tailcone



Marcus Cooper wrote:



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I'm going to check out my Aeroelectric book, but I was wondering if there

are any thoughts out there regarding the combo toggle switch/circuit

breakers (model W31 on Stein Air's site)?  Seems like a pretty simple way to

go, am I missing something?



Thanks,

Marcus



(Hey Razor!)



Do Not Archive



 

 

 





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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

Here's my setup. Everything must be pullable or toggable. see the pictures.

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

If you are using a lot, the W31s are $17 and w23s are $14 at Aircraft 

Spruce.

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

These bi-metallic single pole breakers weigh less than 2 oz. and 

are especially suitable for homebuilt aircraft. Used as original equipment 

in Beech, Cessna and Piper aircraft. Maximum operating voltages: 32 VDC and 

250 VAC (to 400 Hz).

            P&B Part No. AMP Ratng AIRCRAFT APPLICATION

            Beech Cessna Piper

            W23X1A1G1 1   111-201-105

            W23X1A1G2 2   111-202-105

            W23X1A1G3 3   111-203-105

            W23X1A1G4 4   111-204-105

            W23X1A1G5 5 CB-2305A S-1232-5 454656

            W23X1A1G7.5 7-1/2 CB-2307A

            W23X1A1G10 10 CB-2310A  454657

            W23X1A1G15 15 CB-2315A  454658

            W23X1A1G20 20 CB-2320A  454659

            W23X1A1G25 25 CB-2325A  454660

            W23X1A1G30 30 CB-2330A  454661

            W23X1A1G35 35 CB-2335A  454663

            W23X1A1G40 40 CB-2340A  454665

            W23X1A1G50 50 CB-2350A  454662

            W31X2M1G5 5

            W31X2M1G10 10

            W31X2M1G15 15

            W31X2M1G20 20

            W31X2M1G25 25

            W31X2M1G30 30

            W31X2M1G35 35

            W31X2M1G40 40

            W31X2M1G50 50

            W58XC4C12A1 1 431-201-101 S-1360-1A,-1L

            W58XC4C12A2 2 431-202-101 S-1360-2A,-2L

            W58XC4C12A3 3 431-203-101 S-1360-3A,-3L

            W58XC4C12A4 4 431-204-101 S-1360-4A,-4L

            W58XC4C12A5 5 435-205-101 S-1360-5,-5L 454668

            W58XC4C12A7 7-1/2 435-207-101 S-1360-7,-7L

            W58XC4C12A10 10 435-210-101 S-1360-10,-10L 454669

            W58XC4C12A15 15 435-215-101 S-1360-15,-15L 454670

            W58XC4C12A20 20 435-220-101 S-1360-20,-202

            W58XC4C12A30 30 435-230-101 S-1360-30,-302

            Description Part No. Price Buy

            W23X1A1G1 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G1 $13.95

            W23X1A1G-2 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G2 $13.95

            W23X1A1G3 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G3 $13.95

            W23X1A1G-4 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G4 $39.50

            CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G-5 W23X1A1G5 $13.95

            W23X1A1G71/2 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G7.5 $13.95

            W23X1A1G10 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G10 $13.95

            W23X1A1G15 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G15 $13.95

            W23X1A1G20 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G20 $13.95

            W23X1A1G25 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G25 $13.95

            W23X1A1G30 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G30 $13.95

            W23X1A1G35 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G35 $13.95

            W23X1A1G40 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G40 $13.95

            W23X1A1G50 CIRCUIT BREAKER W23X1A1G50 $13.95

            W31X2M1G5 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G5 $16.95

            W31X2M1G10 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G10 $16.95

            W31X2M1G15 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G15 $16.95

            W31X2M1G20 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G20 $16.95

            W31X2M1G25 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G25 $16.95

            W31X2M1G30 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G30 $16.95

            W31X2M1G35 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G35 $16.95

            W31X2M1G40 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G40 $16.95

            W31X2M1G50 CIRCUIT BREAKER W31X2M1G50 $16.95

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A1 W58XC4C12A1 $4.85

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A2 W58XC4C12A2 $4.85

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A3 W58XC4C12A3 $4.85

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A4 W58XC4C12A4 $5.20

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A5 W58XC4C12A5 $4.95

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A7 W58XC4C12A7 $4.95

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A10 W58XC4C12A10 $3.95

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A15 W58XC4C12A15 $4.95

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A20 W58XC4C12A20 $3.75

            CIRCUIT BREAKERS W58XC4C12A30 W58XC4C12A30 $4.85





Prices are subject to change without notice.

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

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brinker(at)cox-internet.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

David that is a nice clean wiring set up, you have given me some 

idea's.   What type (gauge,size) of aluminum angle are you using to mount 

your switches in ?



Randy

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brinker(at)cox-internet.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

Sorry about the several emails stating basicly the same thing 

but kept getting a undeliverable response from matronics when I sent them.



Randy



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

I drilled the standard crossmember and drilled corresponding holes in the 

bus bar which is copper .125  x .5  x length. I believe I bought the copper 

in 24" lengths. If additional rigidity is desired one could rivet an 

aluminum angle along the bottom end of the crossmember. My panel is .090 

thickness and powder coated.



One additional though on the angle. Don't put it in where it will interfere 

with the throttle quadrant etc.

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

Whoa there guys.  There are going to  have some seriously PO'd dial-up people here.  First, if you are going to send  emails with pictures reduce the size!  You can get the same thing across with  a 50k picture as you can with a 1MB.  Second, if you reply to an email  with any kind of attachment, strip it off!  Since this morning you guys have  sent over 15MB of the same pictures and I know the dial-up types are not going to be  happy when they are done pulling down their email tomorrow morning.  Not to  mention Matt probably won't keep the functionality for long if it keeps on being  abused like this.

  

 Look, this has been discussed before.  I  personally could care less with 3MB DSL but try to have some courtesy to those  that have no broadband and crummy phone lines that can only maintain 19k.   Take a second and think before you hit send.

  

 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage

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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

Michael

  

 Thnks for lookinging out for us dial-up guys. By the way how do you change a 1 MB picture into a 50k picture?

  

 Bob

fehdxl(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

Bob,

 I am very happy with some freeware called IrfanView  (http://www.irfanview.com/).

 One of the things I like best is its ability to convert and rename pictures in a batch.

 -Jim



On 2/10/06, NYTerminat(at)aol.com (NYTerminat(at)aol.com) <NYTerminat(at)aol.com (NYTerminat(at)aol.com)> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		  By the way how do you change a 1 MB picture into a 50k picture?  Bob

jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

I don’t know if I’d go as far as PO’d, but it took me an hour to get my e-mail tonight (on dial-up in Ecuador) because of all of those 3MB e-mails.  First of all Outlook crashed because of the size, then I couldn’t get on webmail because Outlook had crashed without logging off.  I had outlook setup to leave any big e-mails on the server, but with 18MB of pictures to download, that function crashed or something.  Anyway, I didn’t actually end up downloading the files, but I hope all copies of them were really great.  

     

Jesse Saint  

I-TEC, Inc.  

jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)  

www.itecusa.org  

Fax: 815-377-3694  

   

I am in Ecuador until May, 2006.  If you have questions regarding I-TEC, please call the office at 352-465-4545.  If you would like to talk to me, please call me at 352-505-1899.  This number won't always be on, but it has voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.  

        

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:32 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Toggle Switch Breakers  

  

   

Whoa there guys.  There are going to have some seriously PO'd dial-up people here.  First, if you are going to send emails with pictures reduce the size!  You can get the same thing across with a 50k picture as you can with a 1MB.  Second, if you reply to an email with any kind of attachment, strip it off!  Since this morning you guys have sent over 15MB of the same pictures and I know the dial-up types are not going to be happy when they are done pulling down their email tomorrow morning.  Not to mention Matt probably won't keep the functionality for long if it keeps on being abused like this.  

   

Look, this has been discussed before.  I personally could care less with 3MB DSL but try to have some courtesy to those that have no broadband and crummy phone lines that can only maintain 19k.  Take a second and think before you hit send.  

   

Michael Sausen  

-10 #352 Fuselage  

do not archive

rv10es(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

I kinda have to agree with Michael.  I cannot obtain high speed internet at my location and suffer when attachments are large.

Thanks.



 rob kermanj

rv10es(at)earthlink.net (rv10es(at)earthlink.net)



 



On Feb 10, 2006, at 6:32 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Whoa there guys.  There are going to have some seriously PO'd dial-up people here.  First, if you are going to send emails with pictures reduce the size!  You can get the same thing across with a 50k picture as you can with a 1MB.  Second, if you reply to an email with any kind of attachment, strip it off!  Since this morning you guys have sent over 15MB of the same pictures and I know the dial-up types are not going to be happy when they are done pulling down their email tomorrow morning.  Not to mention Matt probably won't keep the functionality for long if it keeps on being abused like this.

 

Look, this has been discussed before.  I personally could care less with 3MB DSL but try to have some courtesy to those that have no broadband and crummy phone lines that can only maintain 19k.  Take a second and think before you hit send.

 

Michael Sausen

-10 #352 Fuselage

do not archive

mikemb(at)aros.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

My suggestion is if you are going to send pictures, first learn about editing photos. Pictures that come of a digital camera are usually very high resolution and are very large (2480 pixels) and not ready for email or web site pictures.  A computer can not even display a picture that large. They have a resolution of up to 300 pixels (dots per inch) and again a computer screen can only display around 72 dots per inch, so high resolution pictures are good for reproducing print photos anything above 72 DPI is wasted on a computer screen. There are many photo editing software programs like Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Photo editor, that let you resize to a smaller photo and save at a lower resolution.  

   

Mike Howe  

   

   

-----Original Message-----

 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:32 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Toggle Switch Breakers  

   

Whoa there guys.  There are going to have some seriously PO'd dial-up people here.  First, if you are going to send emails with pictures reduce the size!  You can get the same thing across with a 50k picture as you can with a 1MB.  Second, if you reply to an email with any kind of attachment, strip it off!  Since this morning you guys have sent over 15MB of the same pictures and I know the dial-up types are not going to be happy when they are done pulling down their email tomorrow morning.  Not to mention Matt probably won't keep the functionality for long if it keeps on being abused like this.  

   

Look, this has been discussed before.  I personally could care less with 3MB DSL but try to have some courtesy to those that have no broadband and crummy phone lines that can only maintain 19k.  Take a second and think before you hit send.  

   

Michael Sausen  

-10 #352 Fuselage  

do not archive

jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Toggle Switch Breakers

It'd me great if someone could shrink those pictures and resend them.  Maybe

a total of 200K or something.  Anybody willing to do that for me?



Do not archive



Thanks.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

Fax: 815-377-3694

 

I am in Ecuador until May, 2006.  If you have questions regarding I-TEC,

please call the office at 352-465-4545.  If you would like to talk to me,

please call me at 352-505-1899.  This number won't always be on, but it has

voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.

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