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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

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What have the “flyers” been getting for Phase I fly-off time?  40 or 25 hours?  Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved combination, or is it not yet (or ever) “certified”?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:18 am    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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What have the “flyers” been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or 25
hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
combination, or is it not yet (or ever) “certified”?



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

Sweet.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

Tim,
It is interesting that you got a 25 hr flyoff with the Aerosport
(experimental) IO-540. I would have thought that you would have gotten
the 40 hrs.

Makes it easier to get ready for Sun-N-Fun. I'll see you there.

Larry Rosen
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

 One thing that may or may not make a difference is how the DAR interprets this rule.  I always understood it to mean an actual certified engine prop combo.  Technically the Hartzell blended airfoil prop for the -10 was specially made for this package so it is not a certified prop in the respect of it being usable on something like a Cherokee Six or something.  But it is a certified combo, per Van, on the -10.

  My point is, like everything else with the Feds, don't expect it to always get 25 hours but we can hope.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

Yeah, but it's still a Lycoming. When he told me about the 25, I even
pushed him and asked if that included an Aerosport. I think they're
just fine as long as you don't go with some actual alternative engine.
I'm sure it could vary from DAR to DAR to FSDO....but all the paperwork
went thru the MSP FSDO and it still made it.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Larry Rosen wrote:
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Tim,
It is interesting that you got a 25 hr flyoff with the Aerosport
(experimental) IO-540. I would have thought that you would have gotten
the 40 hrs.

Makes it easier to get ready for Sun-N-Fun. I'll see you there.

Larry Rosen
http://lrosen.nerv10.com

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

A local 7A was signed off in Oct. and received a 40 hour fly off. It is
equipped with a Superior XP-360 and the blended airfoil from Van's. I
have seen this exact combo get a 25 hour fly off from another DAR. As
Tim said, it does vary.

(fingers crossed for 25 and a BIG box)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:48 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

The subject of 25 vs. 40 should be more clear than the confusion
created. A Superior XP is an experimental engine not a certified
Lycoming IO. The propeller needs to have FAA certification as well as
the engine to get to 25 hours, to which the Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D
has. The easy path is the exact match of certified powerplant with the
certified propeller chosen/proven by a certified GA manufacturer.

As you pick a certified Lycoming (rebuilt) with a separate (non paired)
propeller, it is up to the authority of the DAR you chose. So chose
wisely. An XP engine whether by Monte Barrett, Precision, or Aero Sport
is not certified. Aero Sport does a remarkable job rebuilding certified
Lycoming engines at a fair price. Superior proves a great service of
helping builders assembly their own experimental (non certified)
powerplant at an additional savings. You just fly off the 40 hours.

If you modify the VANS plans on the airframe, you get the 40 hours as
well.

John - KUAO
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

We got 25 hours with a certified IO-540 rebuild and a blended airfoil
Hartzell, but the DAR almost gave us 40 because he couldn't find the
"Bendix" name on the fuel servo (thingy on the bottom of the engine where
the air goes in, if I used the wrong name).

I am pretty sure he did look to make sure we had two normal mags. Like
everybody says, it all depends. Our DAR was fairly picky about making sure
the engine/prop combo was certified, but didn't take more than a couple of
minutes to actually check the plane. He seemed to be thinking, "it looks
like an airplane to me." We had the placards and the data plate and put the
N-numbers on with electrical tape while he was there, and hooked up a
compass in a hole on the panel with wire ties because he said we needed one
beyond the EFIS, but he was fine with that. Just as long as that fuel servo
says "Bendix" on it.

Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
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I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

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From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 07:47:56 PST

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You just fly off the 40 hours.

If you modify the VANS plans on the airframe, you get the 40 hours as well.

The 25 hours vs. 40 might be an issue if you're in a hurry to get to OSH, but I can say from flight testing my -7A, that it takes about 40 - 50 hours to get all of your performance envelope testing, debugging and tweaking, systems calibrations, etc. done. I got to the end of my flight test cards right at about 38 flight hours (which included things like testing power levels vs. performance vs. indicated airspeed all the way up to 18,000 feet.) So there was a particularly boring final test flight in the test area out over the SoCal desert where I set the TruTrak with altitude hold, and just read a copy of EAA Sport Aviation for a while!

Am expecting to get 25 hours on the -10 since it will have a "certfied" Lycoming & Hartzell, but it really doesn't matter unless your DAR gives you too small a box to fly it all off. The test area east of San Diego was great, since it was about 75 nm by 50 nm -- lotsa space to play in.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

Do you have electronic ignition!

Tim Olson wrote:

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I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:

> Fellows:
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> What have the “flyers” been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
> 25 hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
> combination, or is it not yet (or ever) “certified”?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Engine combination Reply with quote

1 mag, one lightspeed Plasma III. Runs BEAUTIFULLY.
Tim

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Do you have electronic ignition!

Tim Olson wrote:

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> I got 25 because of the IO-540/Hartzell Combo. That was one of the
> first questions the DAR asked, and all I had to do was tell
> him what I had and he automatically said "That will be good,
> you'll only have a 25 hour flyoff."
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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>> Fellows:
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>> What have the “flyers” been getting for Phase I fly-off time? 40 or
>> 25 hours? Does the IO-540 with Hartzell qualify as an approved
>> combination, or is it not yet (or ever) “certified”?
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