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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment.  However, it occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control pitch?
 
Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic components?
 
Jeff
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

Jeff, trust me, don’t go any further until you have the complete plan in place.  I didn’t but really wish I had.  Especially true to ensure all the wires are in place.
 
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From: Jeff Dalton [mailto:jdalton77(at)comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:12 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install

 
I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment.  However, it occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control pitch?

 

Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic components?

 

Jeff

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

Quite a good question, Jeff. With an easy answer. The pitch servo mounts at the bellcrank which is just behind the baggage bulkhead, not way back in the tail. So it is very accessible for installation and maintenance later. The plate that holds the bellcrank is held in by machine screws so you can just unscrew it to drill and mount the servo.

The story on the roll servo in the wing is similar. It bolts using a bracket that is accessible via one of the inspection plates, and can be installed later. The only trick that requires some advance planning is getting the wiring into the wing before the bottom skin goes on.

It helps to make the decision about the autopilot early (and most other things in the project, really, except perhaps panel avionics which keep changing from month to month.)

-Dan Masys
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From: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net>
Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 11:11:47 EST
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install

I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However, it occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control pitch?

Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic components?

Jeff
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

John,
 
The servo mounts at the battery tray in the tail cone and is a bolt on unit. You can wait till your ready to attach the taicone if you like but that's still a ways off and access to that area is fairly easy even with the cone attached.. The roll servo is very easy and can wait till your ready to do the bottom skins even after for that matter. The only thing on the roll servo is the bellcrank bracket is swapped out with one from Trutrak...of course I am assuming your going Trutrack. I only have experience with that manufac. Another system may be different.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

You can make all of these decision later in the project, you do not need to install the pitch servo yet, and the can do the roll servo from the inspection plate or before you put on the bottom skins. Rather than buy the servos, put the money into the airframe kits and pound away on the rivets and wait for the panel to make the AP decision.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dalton
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:12 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install

I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment.  However, it occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control pitch?
 
Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic components?
 
Jeff
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:52 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

What else are guys/gals doing with the tail, though, that might need wiring?
Is it easier to put in some wires for now, before closing up the Cone, or
does it really matter? Clearly there are wires for the tail light. Might
be something for comm. ant. or ELT?

John Jessen
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

The PERFECT answer!
My $0.02 as well…
 
Andrew Barker
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:47 AM
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Subject: RE: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install

 
You can make all of these decision later in the project, you do not need to install the pitch servo yet, and the can do the roll servo from the inspection plate or before you put on the bottom skins. Rather than buy the servos, put the money into the airframe kits and pound away on the rivets and wait for the panel to make the AP decision.
my .02
Dan 
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dalton
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:12 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment.  However, it occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control pitch?

 

Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic components?

 

Jeff

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

I built mine and mounted after cabin was on. I am installing Blue Mountain. Built mount for aileron and elevator. Installed aileron mount just before closing bottom skin.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

Jeff,

Vans incuded a bracket with the Fuselage Kit to mount the tru-track servo.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

Jim,

TruTrak has an updated bracket. There's also an updated
roll mod that builders may want to check out. All of it
can be done easily post-build if you've done the initial
install well with proper measurements on your holes drilled.

Tim

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Jeff,

Vans incuded a bracket with the Fuselage Kit to mount the tru-track servo.









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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

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From: "John Jessen" <jjessen(at)rcn.com>
Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 08:51:57 PST

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What else are guys/gals doing with the tail, though, that might need wiring?
Is it easier to put in some wires for now, before closing up the Cone, or
does it really matter? Clearly there are wires for the tail light. Might be something for comm. ant. or ELT?

The only wires that run back there on my -7A are the tail strobe + nav light, the elevator trim wires, and the ELT antenna coax cable. ELT antenna is mounted horizontally under the empennage fairing. All of those wire runs can be routed without much trouble after the tailcone is completed.

-Dan Masys

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:05 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

Jim,
Where did you install your aileron mount?
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
   cell: 571-215-6134


From: Jim Wade [mailto:jwadejr(at)direcway.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:04 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install

 
I built mine and mounted after cabin was on. I am installing Blue Mountain. Built mount for aileron and elevator. Installed aileron mount just before closing bottom skin.

Jim   

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From: Rick (ricksked(at)earthlink.net)

Date: 02/23/06 10:58:59

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install


 

John,

 

The servo mounts at the battery tray in the tail cone and is a bolt on unit. You can wait till your ready to attach the taicone if you like but that's still a ways off and access to that area is fairly easy even with the cone attached.. The roll servo is very easy and can wait till your ready to do the bottom skins even after for that matter. The only thing on the roll servo is the bellcrank bracket is swapped out with one from Trutrak...of course I am assuming your going Trutrack. I only have experience with that manufac. Another system may be different.

 

Rick S.

40185

Fuselage

 

 
 
 

 


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

We had the plane painted and completely assembled before we put a single
wire or servo in it. While I realize some would have been easier earlier,
it is possible to do it later, as long as you have access to where the wires
will run. Also, I agree that the tail is quite simple, although finding a
good place to route the wires into the rudder isn't a lot of fun. We have
the whole ELT under the emp fairing with the antenna right there, so the
control wires are run from there to the panel, but there's just that and the
strobe and nav light wires for back there. I don't know anything about the
new servo brackets or setup for the TruTrak, but we are using the ones that
came with the kit and the AP is working just fine. Like others have said,
if you want to do it now, go ahead, but don't sweat it. It wouldn't hurt to
decide where you are going to put antennas and things like that, but we
installed all of those after the plane was completed, so it is possible to
do that later also. The main thing is not to cut off your wiring access
areas, unless you put conduit there, and plenty of it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:27 pm    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

Right wing in the bay the aileron push rod ends. Here's a pic of the mount I built. It rivets right to the ribs. 
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Reply with quote

Thanks
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Rick Conti
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From: Jim Wade [mailto:jwadejr(at)direcway.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:24 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install

 
Right wing in the bay the aileron push rod ends. Here's a pic of the mount I built. It rivets right to the ribs. 

 

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Date: 02/23/06 13:10:02

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Jim,
Where did you install your aileron mount?
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
   cell: 571-215-6134


From: Jim Wade [mailto:jwadejr(at)direcway.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:04 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install

 
I built mine and mounted after cabin was on. I am installing Blue Mountain. Built mount for aileron and elevator. Installed aileron mount just before closing bottom skin.

Jim   

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