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bbreckenridge(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Form 8110-3

Help!  We had the 6 interior panels of our 1978 172n redone at an aircraft repair and restoration facility.  We were given a logbook sticker stating that all the materials met FAR regulations.  This was done during our annual.  Our IA will not sign off the annual until we receive an 8110-3.  Is this for real?  I thought the 8110-3 was for part 25 aircraft, not part 23.  



Any thoughts are welcome at this point!

Bruce Breckenridge

Happy Valley, Oregon

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hdwysong(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Form 8110-3

Hi Bruce,



You are only bound by 23.853(a), (b), (c), and (e), so the fancy logbook sticker (assuming it specifically states that the materials used in your refurb satisfy the pertinent FARs) should suffice.   However, you might need to educate your IA a bit.

 

First, I'd contact the refurb shop and find out where they buy their materials.  Since they provided a "complies with FARs" sticker in your logbook everything *should* be coming from a reputable source (e.g. - AirTex) where burn rate testing on the materials is fully documented.  Obtain proof and provide it to the IA.

 

However, the IAs I work with aren't ignorant folks so he/she might know more about the situation (i.e. - the refurb shop) than you do.  You might find out that the refurb shop buys their materials from some unknown shop ("Flammable Fabrics-R-Us") in which case things can get a little sticky.  Again, check with the manufacturer to see if the materials used have been tested per Part 23 (or 25).  If so and they pass, you're set.  Get the documented proof and provide it to the IA.  If the materials have NOT been tested and no proof of FAR compliance exists, then I'd strongly suggest (with threat of legal action, if necessary) to the refurb shop that they pay to send coupons out to one of the FAA certified labs (e.g. - Skandia) for testing.  If the coupons pass, all is well.  If the coupons fails, hire a lawyer.

 

Best of luck,



D



References:

http://tinyurl.com/3dp9av

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/obrien.pdf

 http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/607



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bbreckenridge(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Form 8110-3

Thanks so much for the clarification and especially the links.  We got the sticker and the burn sheets, so it looks like we're set!



 On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:11 AM, D Wysong <hdwysong(at)gmail.com (hdwysong(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]Hi Bruce,



You are only bound by 23.853(a), (b), (c), and (e), so the fancy logbook sticker (assuming it specifically states that the materials used in your refurb satisfy the pertinent FARs) should suffice.   However, you might need to educate your IA a bit.

 

First, I'd contact the refurb shop and find out where they buy their materials.  Since they provided a "complies with FARs" sticker in your logbook everything *should* be coming from a reputable source (e.g. - AirTex) where burn rate testing on the materials is fully documented.  Obtain proof and provide it to the IA.

 

However, the IAs I work with aren't ignorant folks so he/she might know more about the situation (i.e. - the refurb shop) than you do.  You might find out that the refurb shop buys their materials from some unknown shop ("Flammable Fabrics-R-Us") in which case things can get a little sticky.  Again, check with the manufacturer to see if the materials used have been tested per Part 23 (or 25).  If so and they pass, you're set.  Get the documented proof and provide it to the IA.  If the materials have NOT been tested and no proof of FAR compliance exists, then I'd strongly suggest (with threat of legal action, if necessary) to the refurb shop that they pay to send coupons out to one of the FAA certified labs (e.g. - Skandia) for testing.  If the coupons pass, all is well.  If the coupons fails, hire a lawyer.

 

Best of luck,



D



References:

http://tinyurl.com/3dp9av

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/obrien.pdf

 http://forums.cessnaowner.org/read/1/607



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