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darinh
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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield fit |
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Paul,
I use West Systems epoxy for all my layups and the cloth I used for this was 5 or 6 oz. I think. I cut it into 2"-3" strips and layed it up that way because the compound curves made it a bit difficult for a solid piece of cloth. For the filler, I used ultra lightweight body filler (lightweight bondo). You could also use Superfil but it takes much longer to cure and for simply filling in small amounts, bondo is great and cures in 5 minutes and is ready to sand. If you are more patient than I am, the correct way to fill the weave is to brush 3 or so coats of thinned epoxy resin over the finished product or make a female mold. I figured for these small parts, the time to make female molds then pull the parts would be much longer and much more work than simply filling, sanding, priming, sanding and topcoat.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Windshield fit |
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Darin C How did you get cloth to stay up on underside of wing? Did you go beyond area needed and tape it up before applying resin?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford CIL
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Date: Wed C 19 Nov 2008 18:06:16 -0800
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Paul C
I use West Systems epoxy for all my layups and the cloth I used for this was 5 or 6 oz. I think. I cut it into 2"-3" strips and layed it up that way because the compound curves made it a bit difficult for a solid piece of cloth. For the filler C I used ultra lightweight body filler (lightweight bondo). You could also use Superfil but it takes much longer to cure and for simply filling in small amounts C bondo is great and cures in 5 minutes and is ready to sand. If you are more patient than I am C the correct way to fill the weave is to brush 3 or so coats of thinned epoxy resin over the finished product or make a female mold. I figured for these small parts C the time to make female molds then pull the parts would be much longer and much more work than simply filling C sanding C priming C sanding and topcoat.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Windshield fit |
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Darin C I have fooled around with fiberglass building canoes and Corvette bodywork C you have done an outstanting job on those farings. You have to remove them to fold wing C correct?
Pat Reilly
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Date: Wed C 19 Nov 2008 14:20:33 -0500
Darin C
I looked at the photos and honestly C you did an outstanding job! The listers ought to take a look at these photos. I'm encouraged. If mine turn out half as good I'd be pleased.
Thanks C
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster C 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange C FL
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: Windshield fit |
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..AND wear breathing protection...some of that stuff is nasty.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, 591hrs
Sensenich 62x46
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Rick,
Thanks for the compliments...I am pretty please with how the turned
out. I had put this part off for a couple months and went the tape
route but with the temps dropping (and an incident where a peice of
tape came loose and gave me quite a scare) I decided that now was
as good as any to make the fairings. Fiberglass is a great medium
to work with...just make sure you protect the area you are working
and make sure you have a good release agent (brown packaging tape
in this instance). Clean up any epoxy drips before it cures also.
Have fun.
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darinh
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Windshield fit |
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Pat,
The glass will stay in place if it is wetted out properly (read not too much resin). No tape or other means to hold it in place on the underside of the wing is necessary. And, yes they must be removed to fold the wings. I don't ever fold my wings but there are only 3 fasteners that need to be removed if I did.
And yes, Lynn is correct...breathing protection is in order but only for the sanding and painting phases if you use epoxy resin. If you use polyester or vinylester resin, well that is a hole different ballgame.
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JetPilot
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Windshield fit |
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Darin,
Those look like factory parts, what a great job you did on those. What kind of Paint did you use on those ?
Mike
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darinh
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield fit |
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I used PPG Delfleet Evolution paint. I actually used this paint on the entire airplane...yes, I know, I didn't use the Polyfiber aerothane, ranthane, or polytone but neither does Aviat so I figured I was good.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Windshield fit |
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Darin C Tell us about that PPG paint C cost C how does it work on fabric C what undercoat C how about UV protection?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
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I used PPG Delfleet Evolution paint. I actually used this paint on the entire airplane...yes C I know C I didn't use the Polyfiber aerothane C ranthane C or polytone but neither does Aviat so I figured I was good.
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darinh
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Windshield fit |
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Pat,
The painting process is the same as if you were going to use any of the Polyfiber products...polybrush then polyspray and topcoat. The paint works exceptionally well on fabric and the Delfleet Evolution is incredibly flexible. I spoke with Greg at Polyfiber about using this paint and of course he gave me the "It will void the STC" of which I don't care because I'm experimental. This statement is only partially true because Aviat paints there Husky using the same paint and obviously they are certified. I spoke to the Aviat guys and they will not use the Polyfiber paints at all...there comment was "Polyfiber is a fabric company...PPG is a paint company, use the Polyfiber fabric but use a paint that is manufactured by a paint company." The UV protection in the paint is excellent but you still should follow Polyfiber's recommendation on the polyspray application.
I have used PPG products for years and know them to be of exceptional quality so I didn't have any problems with it. Also, the local Rans dealer has been using Delfleet for years on fabric so I was not a guinea pig. I am very happy with the results and spraying it is much easier than aerothane or ranthane, which has been compared to trying to spray milk.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Polyfiber paints are perfectly suitable for the application and have obviously been proven but I don't think it is the ONLY option and I prefer to use something I am familiar with and can purchase locally.
One caveat though, I am pretty sure Polyfiber won't warranty the fabric if you use anything but their paints. Having said that, if you apply the fabric correctly and seal and prime it properly the warranty is unnecessary.
Both the polyfiber and PPG paints are urethane base so compatibility is not an issue. I will definitely use this paint on my next metal or rag and tube project.
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