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 Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: Wiring Diagram Software - off topic |
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Actually no, that's not exactly correct as you are mixing different things. Matronics mail server relays list mail to all of our ISP's mail servers, where you download it, and does not host mail directly (I do email for a living among other things) so the same rules apply if you send it direct or via the list.
However you are correct that you could get it from the forum interface as an alternative but then everyone that subscribes to the email gets a copy. Additionally, there is still a location to post files in the Matronics site so you don't have to send a large file to everyone on the list. You can find it at http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/rv10-list.html#Top. This isn't the quickest method but it works. You can also use a service such as www.yousendit.com which is free and will take any file size.
Like I said before, doesn't matter to me as I have 3MB DSL. Just want to point out there are alternatives and that even 1MB files can halt mail for someone with a flaky, slow connection as it will have to restart the download every time the connection flakes out. Not yelling, just clarifying. 
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:39 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
It is not too strange, The matronics server will accept it and post it to the group, and then the individual mailboxes have to download, where if you send it direct, it goes to a different server. So with that being said if it gets to the list server, you can log into the web interface and get it downloaded, even if your local mail provider will not allow attachments over 1meg. Two different servers, two different sets of rules.
Clear as mud, right?
Dan
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:13 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
That' interesting that it would bounce direct but not via the list as it's going to the same address. Jesse, are you building another -10 that you need this stuff? Also, check the Aeroelectric list for info on CAD programs, they have had lots of discussions on that exact subject and you should be able to find a couple of low cost solutions.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
I did try that first and got the repeat back that it had bounced, and with him in Ecuador, building a 10, I tried to get it to him ASAP so he was not delayed.
I apologize to the others on the list, but it was a last ditch effort to help Jesse down south.
Dan
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:46 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
Dan you might have tried sending it direct to Jesse rather than world wide. No yelling needed.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:38 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
I know I am going to get yelled at for this, but seeing how you are way down south here is the PDF of the wiring harness, it is 1.4mg, so should not be too bad for the dialup guys.
Sorry before hand, but want to help a fellow RV'r out.
Dan
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Wiring Diagram Software
Does anybody know of a free CAD program that can import the wiring diagrams from AeroElectric.com and edit them? Still needing the Van’s wiring diagram as well, if anybody has it.
Do not archive
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at 352-465-4545.
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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: Wiring Diagram Software - off topic |
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Actually Yes, I too deal with email for a living, as I am the Director of IT at a large manufacturer and am certified in several different technologies and email programs. What you are forgetting is the archive feature of Matts servers, which makes it not just a relay but also an info store, so the copy is stored locally for retrieval from the archives, if it was not stored locally then there would be no archive. Yes I agree that it is also a relay, but we do not get the non-deliverables back from Matts server, so it is permissible that I could send a personal email to Jesse and it would get bounced because of a size limit, it is also permissible that I send to the list, it gets posted because there is not a limit, then it gets relayed to all of us, and those of us that have size limits on the server would bounce it back to Matt. In this sense it would get posted to the archive and then Jesse could log in remotely to the archive not using his email server, and not have a size limit restricting him.
This is one way to use the tools we have effectively, I also agree that there were other ways to send it, but none as clean as just sending it to him directly, which did not work, so I posted it to the group and many others have now downloaded it and stated that it would help them, so I killed many birds with one stone. End result is that I helped a builder out that is in a foreign country that did not have access to what he needed and that is what this list is for.
Dan
40269
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:37 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software - off topic
Actually no, that's not exactly correct as you are mixing different things. Matronics mail server relays list mail to all of our ISP's mail servers, where you download it, and does not host mail directly (I do email for a living among other things) so the same rules apply if you send it direct or via the list.
However you are correct that you could get it from the forum interface as an alternative but then everyone that subscribes to the email gets a copy. Additionally, there is still a location to post files in the Matronics site so you don't have to send a large file to everyone on the list. You can find it at http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/rv10-list.html#Top. This isn't the quickest method but it works. You can also use a service such as www.yousendit.com which is free and will take any file size.
Like I said before, doesn't matter to me as I have 3MB DSL. Just want to point out there are alternatives and that even 1MB files can halt mail for someone with a flaky, slow connection as it will have to restart the download every time the connection flakes out. Not yelling, just clarifying.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:39 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
It is not too strange, The matronics server will accept it and post it to the group, and then the individual mailboxes have to download, where if you send it direct, it goes to a different server. So with that being said if it gets to the list server, you can log into the web interface and get it downloaded, even if your local mail provider will not allow attachments over 1meg. Two different servers, two different sets of rules.
Clear as mud, right?
Dan
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:13 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
That' interesting that it would bounce direct but not via the list as it's going to the same address. Jesse, are you building another -10 that you need this stuff? Also, check the Aeroelectric list for info on CAD programs, they have had lots of discussions on that exact subject and you should be able to find a couple of low cost solutions.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:50 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
I did try that first and got the repeat back that it had bounced, and with him in Ecuador, building a 10, I tried to get it to him ASAP so he was not delayed.
I apologize to the others on the list, but it was a last ditch effort to help Jesse down south.
Dan
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:46 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
Dan you might have tried sending it direct to Jesse rather than world wide. No yelling needed.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:38 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Wiring Diagram Software
I know I am going to get yelled at for this, but seeing how you are way down south here is the PDF of the wiring harness, it is 1.4mg, so should not be too bad for the dialup guys.
Sorry before hand, but want to help a fellow RV'r out.
Dan
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Wiring Diagram Software
Does anybody know of a free CAD program that can import the wiring diagrams from AeroElectric.com and edit them? Still needing the Van’s wiring diagram as well, if anybody has it.
Do not archive
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at 352-465-4545.
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: Wiring Diagram Software - off topic |
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Remember that attachments aren't archived....and don't get delivered to
digest viewers either....they only go to the individual email
recipient list.
Other than that, it's great to help others.
Tim
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
| Quote: | Actually Yes, I too deal with email for a living, as I am the Director
of IT at a large manufacturer and am certified in several different
technologies and email programs. What you are forgetting is the archive
feature of Matts servers, which makes it not just a relay but also an
info store, so the copy is stored locally for retrieval from the
archives, if it was not stored locally then there would be no archive.
Yes I agree that it is also a relay, but we do not get the
non-deliverables back from Matts server, so it is permissible that I
could send a personal email to Jesse and it would get bounced because of
a size limit, it is also permissible that I send to the list, it gets
posted because there is not a limit, then it gets relayed to all of us,
and those of us that have size limits on the server would bounce it back
to Matt. In this sense it would get posted to the archive and then Jesse
could log in remotely to the archive not using his email server, and not
have a size limit restricting him.
This is one way to use the tools we have effectively, I also agree that
there were other ways to send it, but none as clean as just sending it
to him directly, which did not work, so I posted it to the group and
many others have now downloaded it and stated that it would help them,
so I killed many birds with one stone. End result is that I helped a
builder out that is in a foreign country that did not have access to
what he needed and that is what this list is for.
Dan
40269
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:37 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Wiring Diagram Software - off topic
Actually no, that's not exactly correct as you are mixing different
things. Matronics mail server relays list mail to all of our ISP's mail
servers, where you download it, and does not host mail directly (I do
email for a living among other things) so the same rules apply if you
send it direct or via the list.
However you are correct that you could get it from the forum interface
as an alternative but then everyone that subscribes to the email gets a
copy. Additionally, there is still a location to post files in the
Matronics site so you don't have to send a large file to everyone on the
list. You can find it at
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/rv10-list.html#Top. This isn't the
quickest method but it works. You can also use a service such as
www.yousendit.com <http://www.yousendit.com> which is free and will take
any file size.
Like I said before, doesn't matter to me as I have 3MB DSL. Just want
to point out there are alternatives and that even 1MB files can halt
mail for someone with a flaky, slow connection as it will have to
restart the download every time the connection flakes out. Not yelling,
just clarifying.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
<http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=22>
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lloyd,
Daniel R.
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:39 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Wiring Diagram Software
It is not too strange, The matronics server will accept it and post it
to the group, and then the individual mailboxes have to download, where
if you send it direct, it goes to a different server. So with that being
said if it gets to the list server, you can log into the web interface
and get it downloaded, even if your local mail provider will not allow
attachments over 1meg. Two different servers, two different sets of rules.
Clear as mud, right?
Dan
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:13 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Wiring Diagram Software
That' interesting that it would bounce direct but not via the list as
it's going to the same address. Jesse, are you building another -10
that you need this stuff? Also, check the Aeroelectric list for info on
CAD programs, they have had lots of discussions on that exact subject
and you should be able to find a couple of low cost solutions.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
<http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=22>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lloyd,
Daniel R.
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:50 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Wiring Diagram Software
I did try that first and got the repeat back that it had bounced, and
with him in Ecuador, building a 10, I tried to get it to him ASAP so he
was not delayed.
I apologize to the others on the list, but it was a last ditch effort to
help Jesse down south.
Dan
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John W. Cox
*Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2006 10:46 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Wiring Diagram Software
Dan you might have tried sending it direct to Jesse rather than world
wide. No yelling needed.
John
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lloyd,
Daniel R.
*Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2006 10:38 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Wiring Diagram Software
I know I am going to get yelled at for this, but seeing how you are way
down south here is the PDF of the wiring harness, it is 1.4mg, so should
not be too bad for the dialup guys.
Sorry before hand, but want to help a fellow RV'r out.
Dan
Do not archive
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
*Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2006 11:08 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Wiring Diagram Software
Does anybody know of a free CAD program that can import the wiring
diagrams from AeroElectric.com and edit them? Still needing the Van’s
wiring diagram as well, if anybody has it.
Do not archive
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org <mailto:jesse(at)itecusa.org>
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can
check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC
office at 352-465-4545.
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