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DrJSherm(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: Sailplane-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08

GOD...activity!!! Watching this site for 2 yrs...well, if I am able  to respond correctly, Hi! I used to have a Grob tandem, and did spins, loops  Cuban 8's...what ru doing...loved taking people up for that kind of stuff w/o an  engine! Gave it up when I relocated to the Carolina coast...wish I had a motor  glider! John Sherm, Wilmington, NC

  

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     1. 12:12    AM - Re: Sailplane-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/23/08  (Dylan    Caldwell)



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From: Dylan Caldwell <macquistan(at)mac.com>

Subject:    Re: Sailplane-List Digest: 0 Msgs -    12/23/08

Hi,

  Anyone on this list? Anyone have a B4 or fly    aerobatics?

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: Sailplane-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08

Is this some sort of Christmas prersent?   Posts on the list! Hurrah!

  

 I started gliding more years ago than I like to  think. OK I looked it up. 21st June 1964.

  

 Fist flight in a Slingsby T21c. A BIG side by side  barge of an aircraft.  Then flew Slingsby T31. Soloed in a Grunau then flew  at various times ,Ka7, T49,Krancich, Slingsby Swallow, Olympia 21b, Bijave (In  France,) Bocian,, ASK 13,, Blanik, Skylark 3F, Capstan, Olympia 419 (Wild Goose  in which Peter Scott won the aerobatic Champs.in the UK)Scheitzer 2-33 and 1-26  in Florida, ,K13. Pilatus, Jantar. This was my  last glider and  was rather nice.  19 metre span all fibreglass,  retractable u/c adjustable trailing edges, water ballest. The works.  That  took me through until 1986 where I see from my log book that I flew a K10 and I  cant remember what that was.

 Apart from a bit of flying in motorgliders Scheibe  Falke, Bergfalke, Grob ,I did  little training and a few flights   for sheer pleasure in  Tiger moth, Harvard, Mustang, T3, Jet  Provost.

  I more or less quit glider flying in  1987.

  

 Went from there into hang gliding and via a broken  leg into microlights , or ultralights as you call them. which I still  fly.

  

 With my 80th birthday looming I suppose my flying  is coming to a halt. Certainly if my wife gets her way, but there maybe  a  bit of flying still to be done.

  

 There you are, more than you ever wanted to know  from me

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat.

  

  

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: Sailplane-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08

In a message dated 12/25/2008 5:31:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  DrJSherm(at)aol.com writes:

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		  >>>>wish I had a motor glider!  <<<<< 	
  

 Howdy,

  

 Yes, indeed!  After running a glider tow operation from my strip for  about 5 years (and losing money every year) I sold my Pawnee, club gliders  and person glider and I purchased a used AMT 200S Ximango  (#135) in March of 2007. Best move I've made in years! I've logged a  little over 300 hours in it now, mostly engine off,  including a half dozen 500K's and a couple of wave flights to over  12,000 msl. Not bad for SE Tennessee. 'Course, our lingering drought and the 150  miles of ridge we have here in the Sequatchie and  Lookout Valleys helped a bunch, particularly in the summer of '07 when  we had 10+ knot lift with 10,000-11,000' cloudbase every day for 4 months.

  

 I don't sell them and in no way do I benefit from the sale of any  Ximango, but if you haven't had a ride in a Ximango, and you are serious about  wanting a motorglider, you owe it to yourself to seek out a test flight. My wife  is also a pilot and that meant any motorglider I considered would have to be a  two place to keep the peace. In my search for a suitable motorglider, I  flew virtually every 2 place motorglider currently out there except the  Pipistrel Taurus and a few of those TST contraptions. Most were either too  big to be practical to operate from my 2200' turf strip, or they were just  underpowered, 2 stroke accidents looking for a place to happen. 

  

 The Ximango, OTOH, is the best kept secret in two place  motorgliders, IMHO. I had written it off after looking at the pictures of it,  thinking it was just another touring airplane with long wings. However, when one  came available near where I was going on a ski trip I decided to take a  closer look. As soon as I saw it up close I was very, very impressed. So  impressed, in fact, after I flew it I left a deposit and returned a couple  of weeks later to complete the purchase. It's a decent touring machine, too. I  flew mine from SW Colorado to SE Tennessee in just over 10 hours (1150 nm), not  including an hour or so running the ridge at Magazine Mountain in Arkansas on  the way back. I've also done a couple of fairly long powered cross country  flights in it, i.e., >600 nm. It cruises under power at 115 kts at about 4  gph, with plenty of baggage room for two for a few days. It has the most  comfortable seats of any airplane I've ever flown, too.

  

 FWIW, I built and fly a Europa experimental and my partner and I do  composite repair and refinish on sailplanes here in my shop. We pretty much eat,  sleep and breathe composites. Everything from rigid carbon hang gliders to  numerous ASW-27's and LS-8's to the new 18m JS-1 that just won the 18m  Nationals this year has come through our shop. I can tell you from my  experience that the Ximango is extremely well built and well thought out.  Although not quite up to German standards in terms of fit and finish, it is very  refined and very robust. Aeromot does a good job of supporting the fleet,  too. It has honest 30+ to 1 performance with about a 180 fpm sink rate  with two on board. It's the best compromise between a touring aircraft and  a glider that I'm aware of and it doesn't have a laundry list of AD's like  the Stemme. Probably the easiest to fly tail dragger I've ever flown, too. They  are still in production and are available new. There are also a few used ones  that come up for sale now and then. Ximangos built after 2003 are all  urethane finishes, too. Check it out, you won't be sorry. It's so nice to  be able to go fly a glider without having to drag out the tow  plane!

  

 Cheers!

  

 John  Lawton

Whitwell, TN (TN89)

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Sailplane-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08

Hi John

Sounds like you are having just about too much fun with your Ximango! STOP

IT!!

Whats your take on touring plane with long wings >> Europa?

Ron Parigoris

 	  Quote: 	

 In a message dated 12/25/2008 5:31:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

 DrJSherm(at)aol.com writes:

>>>>wish I had a motor glider!  <<<<<

 Howdy,

 Yes, indeed!  After running a glider tow operation from my strip for

 about 5

 years (and losing money every year) I sold my Pawnee, club gliders  and

 person glider and I purchased a used AMT 200S Ximango  (#135) in March of

 2007.

 Best move I've made in years! I've logged a  little over 300 hours in it

 now,

 mostly engine off,  including a half dozen 500K's and a couple of wave

 flights to

 over  12,000 msl. Not bad for SE Tennessee. 'Course, our lingering drought

 and the 150  miles of ridge we have here in the Sequatchie and  Lookout

 Valleys

 helped a bunch, particularly in the summer of '07 when  we had 10+ knot

 lift

 with 10,000-11,000' cloudbase every day for 4 months.

 I don't sell them and in no way do I benefit from the sale of any

 Ximango,

 but if you haven't had a ride in a Ximango, and you are serious about

 wanting

 a motorglider, you owe it to yourself to seek out a test flight. My wife

 is

 also a pilot and that meant any motorglider I considered would have to be

 a

 two place to keep the peace. In my search for a suitable motorglider, I

 flew

 virtually every 2 place motorglider currently out there except the

 Pipistrel

 Taurus and a few of those TST contraptions. Most were either too  big to

 be

 practical to operate from my 2200' turf strip, or they were just

 underpowered, 2

 stroke accidents looking for a place to happen.

 The Ximango, OTOH, is the best kept secret in two place  motorgliders,

 IMHO.

 I had written it off after looking at the pictures of it,  thinking it was

 just another touring airplane with long wings. However, when one  came

 available

 near where I was going on a ski trip I decided to take a  closer look. As

 soon

 as I saw it up close I was very, very impressed. So  impressed, in fact,

 after I flew it I left a deposit and returned a couple  of weeks later to

 complete

 the purchase. It's a decent touring machine, too. I  flew mine from SW

 Colorado to SE Tennessee in just over 10 hours (1150 nm), not  including

 an hour or

 so running the ridge at Magazine Mountain in Arkansas on  the way back.

 I've

 also done a couple of fairly long powered cross country  flights in it,

 i.e.,

>600 nm. It cruises under power at 115 kts at about 4  gph, with plenty of

 baggage room for two for a few days. It has the most  comfortable seats of

 any

 airplane I've ever flown, too.

 FWIW, I built and fly a Europa experimental and my partner and I do  co

 mposite repair and refinish on sailplanes here in my shop. We pretty much

 eat,

 sleep and breathe composites. Everything from rigid carbon hang gliders to

 numerous ASW-27's and LS-8's to the new 18m JS-1 that just won the 18m

 Nationals

 this year has come through our shop. I can tell you from my  experience

 that the

 Ximango is extremely well built and well thought out.  Although not quite

 up

 to German standards in terms of fit and finish, it is very  refined and

 very

 robust. Aeromot does a good job of supporting the fleet,  too. It has

 honest

 30+ to 1 performance with about a 180 fpm sink rate  with two on board.

 It's the

 best compromise between a touring aircraft and  a glider that I'm aware of

 and it doesn't have a laundry list of AD's like  the Stemme. Probably the

 easiest to fly tail dragger I've ever flown, too. They  are still in

 production and

 are available new. There are also a few used ones  that come up for sale

 now

 and then. Ximangos built after 2003 are all  urethane finishes, too. Check

 it

 out, you won't be sorry. It's so nice to  be able to go fly a glider

 without

 having to drag out the tow  plane!

 Cheers!

 John  Lawton

 Whitwell, TN (TN89)

 Ximango #135

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