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Dareha
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Hello,
I'm a new kid on the block and my wife and I are considering buying a C150/2. We would use the plane to go out on the weekend and do the $100 Hamburger thing plus would love to do some air-camping on some of the strips in Oregon and Idaho. Maybe even take a month and travel around the USA.I would love any advice on where to find one, what to look for, what to stay away from, etc. Any help would be helpful. Also if you live near Troutdale ( Portland) Oregon I would love to hear from you.
Thank you,
Darrell Haas
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Welcome Darryl,
The 150 is a fun plane but you will need to consider it's gross weight limit and CG, depending on how much camping gear you plan to haul for the air-camping trips. They are not a very good performing mountain plane.... climb rate is very low when loaded (at high density alt). If you and your wife are on the small side, you might be able to get away with it.
Other than that the 150 is a great plane and is very economical as planes go.
Good luck!
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IMHO,
I would go with a 172. The advantages are: 1. More Horsepower. That equals better climb rate (an asset in the mountains)and a few more knots. 2. More load capacity. With you and your wife, you should be able to load the back seat with camping gear or take the back seat out for a large cargo area. Either will give you enough room for a weekend getaway. 3. Comfort. Two adults in a 152 no matter what size, will be cramped.
The 152 is a great training airplane but I personally would not have one for cross country flying. I have a friend that owns a 152 and have flown a short cross country with him. It was not the best but it did get the job done. I rode with my arm on the back of his seat as we could not go shoulder to shoulder. He flies cross country in the plane as a solo passenger. The right seat comes out and he loads his camping gear and a bicycle on board.
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Welcome Darryl,
The 150 is a fun plane but you will need to consider it's
gross weight limit and CG, depending on how much camping
gear you plan to haul for the air-camping trips. They
are not a very good performing mountain plane.... climb rate
is very low when loaded (at high density alt). If you
and your wife are on the small side, you might be able to
get away with it.
Other than that the 150 is a great plane and is very
economical as planes go.
Good luck!
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Tucson, AZ
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Thank you for the reply.
Darrell
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IMHO,
I would go with a 172. The advantages are: 1. More Horsepower. That equals better climb rate (an asset in the mountains)and a few more knots. 2. More load capacity. With you and your wife, you should be able to load the back seat with camping gear or take the back seat out for a large cargo area. Either will give you enough room for a weekend getaway. 3. Comfort. Two adults in a 152 no matter what size, will be cramped.
The 152 is a great training airplane but I personally would not have one for cross country flying. I have a friend that owns a 152 and have flown a short cross country with him. It was not the best but it did get the job done. I rode with my arm on the back of his seat as we could not go shoulder to shoulder. He flies cross country in the plane as a solo passenger. The right seat comes out and he loads his camping gear and a bicycle on board.
Dave Nellis
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> Welcome Darryl,
> The 150 is a fun plane but you will need to consider it's
> gross weight limit and CG, depending on how much camping
> gear you plan to haul for the air-camping trips. They
> are not a very good performing mountain plane.... climb rate
> is very low when loaded (at high density alt). If you
> and your wife are on the small side, you might be able to
> get away with it.
> Other than that the 150 is a great plane and is very
> economical as planes go.
> Good luck!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: New kid |
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Darrell
Go with a C-182 and I would say a 1959 C 182B. That is the best of the 182's for what you are looking for. great back country A/C. The Cessna 180/185 would be better, but much more money. I have owned 150/172/182 and others. Just go with the 182!!!!!!
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IMHO,
I would go with a 172. The advantages are: 1. More Horsepower. That equals better climb rate (an asset in the mountains)and a few more knots. 2. More load capacity. With you and your wife, you should be able to load the back seat with camping gear or take the back seat out for a large cargo area. Either will give you enough room for a weekend getaway. 3. Comfort. Two adults in a 152 no matter what size, will be cramped.
The 152 is a great training airplane but I personally would not have one for cross country flying. I have a friend that owns a 152 and have flown a short cross country with him. It was not the best but it did get the job done. I rode with my arm on the back of his seat as we could not go shoulder to shoulder. He flies cross country in the plane as a solo passenger. The right seat comes out and he loads his camping gear and a bicycle on board.
Dave Nellis
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Welcome Darryl,
The 150 is a fun plane but you will need to consider it's
gross weight limit and CG, depending on how much camping
gear you plan to haul for the air-camping trips. They
are not a very good performing mountain plane... climb rate
is very low when loaded (at high density alt). If you
and your wife are on the small side, you might be able to
get away with it.
Other than that the 150 is a great plane and is very
economical as planes go.
Good luck!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: New kid |
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Sounds great but I'm sure that's probably way more than I can afford. Thank you,
Darrell
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Go with a C-182 and I would say a 1959 C 182B. That is the best of the 182's for what you are looking for. great back country A/C. The Cessna 180/185 would be better, but much more money. I have owned 150/172/182 and others. Just go with the 182!!!!!!
Wayne
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IMHO,
I would go with a 172. The advantages are: 1. More Horsepower. That equals better climb rate (an asset in the mountains)and a few more knots. 2. More load capacity. With you and your wife, you should be able to load the back seat with camping gear or take the back seat out for a large cargo area. Either will give you enough room for a weekend getaway. 3. Comfort. Two adults in a 152 no matter what size, will be cramped.
The 152 is a great training airplane but I personally would not have one for cross country flying. I have a friend that owns a 152 and have flown a short cross country with him. It was not the best but it did get the job done. I rode with my arm on the back of his seat as we could not go shoulder to shoulder. He flies cross country in the plane as a solo passenger. The right seat comes out and he loads his camping gear and a bicycle on board.
Dave Nellis
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Welcome Darryl,
The 150 is a fun plane but you will need to consider it's
> gross weight limit and CG, depending on how much camping
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Good luck!
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I agree. You definitely do NOT want to go into the back country of Idaho (Oregon and the cascades are much lower and cooler) with a 150. In fact, you do not want to go into any mountain strip under powered. I have a 182A with a STOL kit and C-310 nose gear. It is a great back country airplane. I currently live in Wy, but lived in Idaho, and have flown into some of their great strips. There is a group of aircampers that goes to different strips every weekend in the summer in Id.
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Darrell
Go with a C-182 and I would say a 1959 C 182B. That is the best of the 182's for what you are looking for. great back country A/C. The Cessna 180/185 would be better, but much more money. I have owned 150/172/182 and others. Just go with the 182!!!!!!
Wayne
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IMHO,
I would go with a 172. The advantages are: 1. More Horsepower. That equals better climb rate (an asset in the mountains)and a few more knots. 2. More load capacity. With you and your wife, you should be able to load the back seat with camping gear or take the back seat out for a large cargo area. Either will give you enough room for a weekend getaway. 3. Comfort. Two adults in a 152 no matter what size, will be cramped.
The 152 is a great training airplane but I personally would not have one for cross country flying. I have a friend that owns a 152 and have flown a short cross country with him. It was not the best but it did get the job done. I rode with my arm on the back of his seat as we could not go shoulder to shoulder. He flies cross country in the plane as a solo passenger. The right seat comes out and he loads his camping gear and a bicycle on board.
Dave Nellis
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Welcome Darryl,
The 150 is a fun plane but you will need to consider it's
gross weight limit and CG, depending on how much camping
gear you plan to haul for the air-camping trips. They
are not a very good performing mountain plane.... climb rate
is very low when loaded (at high density alt). If you
and your wife are on the small side, you might be able to
get away with it.
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I also have a C-182P that I have owned for the last 4 years (though I have been flying this same plane for some 30 years). It is just a great cross country airplane with long rang hauling and is good on short grass strips. It is my flying truck, and it handles like one.
I also have a Grumman AA-1B with 150HP (conversion) that I have owned for 27 (going on 2 years. It is my little fighter plane, that is fun to fly and great for short range missions for two people. This is an economical airplane to operate, and simple in maintenance (once you know the quirks of the Grumman line). With only 22 gal fuel (stock) limits range though.
Some other possible choices are a C-150-150 (150HP conversion) I have flown one and they offer great back country performance if that is what you are looking for. Limited fuel makes for a lot of stops on cross countries...
Grumman AA-1 series offer very economical performance, and there are many available with 150 / 160HP conversions and higher GW. The stock airplane is limited in T/O and climb performance, a converted airplane can be just as economical to operate (unless you like to go fast) and most have GW increases to offset the conversion empty weight increase. These offer exceptional performance, almost rivaling the RV Hombuilts. Again, limited range is a draw back. Aux fuel tanks are available, but tend to make it a single place airplane.
Grumman AA-5 Traveler - Another economical option with better speed then a 172, and love those fold down rear seats for hauling stuff. Also fun handling qualities. Better cross country performance and range. With any Grumman, find a good Grumman knowledgeable mechanic to look the airplane over and teach you the ropes of the type. Simple to work on once you know what to look for.
Stinson 108 Station Wagon - Spent some time with this type, good back country performance. Can be found at good prices and with a wide variation of engines. Stock engine is the Franklin which has some parts challenges.
Aeronca Sedan - After flying one, I keep thinking about this one. Hard to find and prices a bit higher, but a great 4 place classic with good performance.
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