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patreilly43(at)hotmail.co
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 Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Again |
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Lynn C I'll keep that in mind in about 1/2 an hour here when my wife has me scheduled for a project here at home.
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| Quote: | From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Re: Kreem Problem Again
Date: Mon C 13 Jul 2009 19:29:55 -0400
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
Just like sex C preparation is everything C Patrick.....maybe you
didn't talk sweet enough to that hot rod tank. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 702 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
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On Jul 13 C 2009 C at 6:23 PM C patrick reilly wrote:
> The tank prep was probably lacking I======================
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: Kreem Problem Again |
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Lynn C Jim Clement has a fly in at Baraboo WI usually that weekend for Whittman Tailwinds on the way to Oshkosh. You might be interested in that. I stopped there last year on the way home from Door County. It was very interesting. Clement is the Tailwind guru since Steve Whittman died. Jim has built 13 or 14 of the Tailwinds with his own modifications and is a master craftsman.
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| Quote: | From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Re: Kreem Problem Again
Date: Mon C 13 Jul 2009 18:40:23 -0400
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
I'm probably going to leave here on Sat or Sun C the weekend before
they open C and stay for 4-5 days. I like to get there before the good
spots in homebuilt camping are all gone. By good spots C that means
close to the showers/johns C but more importantly the ICE!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 702 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
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On Jul 13 C 2009 C at 3:59 PM C patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn C What is your Oshkosh schedule? do not archive
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> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford C IL
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> > From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Re: Kreem Problem Again
> > Date: Mon C 13 Jul 2009 14:22:20 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
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> > No leads on an alcohol-proof sealer C but just curious about your
> > statement "There are internal surfaces in the tank that will
> never be
> > reached by a sloshing operation"....I'm not sure what you mean by
> > this. And if you took the top off the tank C how would you ever seal
> > the inside seam where you re-joined the tank top?
> >
> > All this worry about resisting the alcohol in mogas makes me wonder
> > why people don't bite the bullet and use 100LL...it's safe C
> > convenient to airports C doesn't eat through (most) fuel tanks C and
> > until they do C it's the fuel that the Feds haven't mucked around
> > with...YET! I'm not rich C but I'd rather pay the little extra for
> > 100LL C and FLY C rather than putz around with fuel tank problems.
> >
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 701.3 hrs
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Status: flying
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 13 C 2009 C at 1:30 PM C Mark Napier (napierm) wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Napier (napierm)"
> > > <napierm(at)cisco.com>
> > >
> > > Hi Paul C
> > >
> > (snip)
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> >
> > > Now I have a different problem. I want to make my tanks alcohol-
> proof
> > > and don't know how to do it short of buying new tanks from Kitfox.
> > > Not
> > > sure if any of the tank sealing products are really up to it.
> > > There are
> > > internal surfaces in the tank that will never be reached by a
> sloshing
> > > operation so to do it right would mean taking the top off of
> the tank
> > > and coating it inside with something. What that something is I
> don't
> > > know.
> > >
> > > Any one have some solid leads?
> > >
> > > Thanks C
> > >
> > > Mark Napier
> >
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Again |
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Thanks Tim,
Thank you, this is exactly what I'm looking for.
On the 12 gallon tank there is an internal baffle(s ??) that really
can't be coated with a slosh. Not unless you poured in about half a
tank's worth.
I should be able to pry off the lid, clean, sand, coat every thing with
a very thin layer of glass and that epoxy, and put it back together with
the same epoxy. Apparently the tank also needs to be jigged to twist it
slightly one way or the other depending on if it is a left or right
tank.
I guess if the top seam leaks it could then be sloshed around the rim
with the same stuff to seal it.
It does sound like work but much cheaper than new tanks.
As for 100LL, Rotax engines don't like leaded fuel, esp. the 2-cycles.
On that I speak from experience. I know this is a whole other long
debate, but they really don't. The ideal is high octane car gas which
our *stupid* government is driving out of existence. I'm installing a
HKS engine and it doesn't like 100LL much either. You can run it but it
needs a different oil and have to change that oil every 25 hours to try
to prevent the lead deposits. Kind of like cholesterol in the arteries.
None is better.
Cheers,
Mark Napier
Time: 11:59:41 AM PST US
From: TIM VADER <vadert(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Re: Kreem Problem Again
Mark
I used this product. I phoned Caswell and they assured me that it was
ethanol
resistant. Methanol, they weren't so sure about.
http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm
Tim Vader
Kitfox IV
GPASC VW
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Kreem Problem Again |
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| Quote: | As for 100LL, Rotax engines don't like leaded fuel, esp. the 2-cycles.
On that I speak from experience. I know this is a whole other long
debate, but they really don't. The ideal is high octane car gas which
our *stupid* government is driving out of existence. I'm installing a
HKS engine and it doesn't like 100LL much either. You can run it but it
needs a different oil and have to change that oil every 25 hours to try
to prevent the lead deposits. Kind of like cholesterol in the arteries.
None is better. |
Rotax has approved 10% ethanol usage. 503 582 912 ul
I have no Kreem in my wing tanks and I have no problems using regular grade auto ethanol gas. You do not need over regular grade gas in the above engines.
AVGAS is ok from time to time but certainly not a good thing for your Rotax engine.
If my tanks die i going to try wingtanks.com tanks . Has anyone used these? I got 2 more Kitfoxes in that want them installed.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Again |
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The regular nitril gloves we all use  do not hold up to MEK. They'll make it for a minute or two. Buy Neoprene gloves, they can take it for at least an hour. Sensitivity varies, when I first encountered MEK I was doing polyfiber and had no real issues, but later on my eyes burned and itched for a few days. Now I can't be around the fumes for much more than a minute before the irritation starts
I stopped using Polyfiber and switched to Stewarts systems. Short learning curve but it truly is wonderful stuff, no environmental or health concerns at all.
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jack(at)comconn.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: Kreem Problem Again |
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The normal nitril gloves do give up quickly- I picked up a pair
of butyl rubber gloves at Grainger's, which work well.
Then, when refreshing my memory on Polyfiber (reading the
manual), I noted that they called out using latex gloves,
which actually last long enough to polytak and toss.. and
work.
I don't know why I didn't try them before, but I'm using them
now!
-Jack
ex kitfox I owner
avid MK IV jabiru 22ax01 (flying)
avid catalina (50% finished)
| Quote: | Time: 05:20:14 AM PST US
From: "Dave G" <occom(at)ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Kreem Problem Again
The regular nitril gloves we all use do not hold up to MEK. They'll
make it for a minute or two. Buy Neoprene gloves, they can take it for
at least an hour. Sensitivity varies, when I first encountered MEK I was
doing polyfiber and had no real issues, but later on my eyes burned and
itched for a few days. Now I can't be around the fumes for much more
than a minute before the irritation starts
I stopped using Polyfiber and switched to Stewarts systems. Short
learning curve but it truly is wonderful stuff, no environmental or
health concerns at all.
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