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 Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Hay Deems lucky you not live anywhere else in the world,, Avgas is actualy
cheap in the US! Lucky buggars
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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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You are killing me Tim! I can barely face the Maule for a CC jaunt
anymore. It's just too slow.
Before starting the '10, we flew the heck out of our Maule from northern
NY to Key West. From the Outer Banks to Houston. All from our homebase
in Durham NC. For the Maule, that's not so much a regional limit as a
butts-in-seats issue. The hour long leg is not a bad thing either as
long as you do it often. We were lucky enough to have a mission most
weekends for a 2 hour out and return. Nothing like a schedule to
exercise the IFR chops.
I wouldn't want to knock the builders who don't feel the need to take
off for parts unknown. Some of us are in this to build, others may
prefer a sport acro session in a single digit RV, and some just like to
pound the patch. But the '10 is my dream of a magic carpet. As much as
I'm enjoying the build, I can hardly wait to fly it.
I have several dream trips I hope to make if the fates allow. Cuba is
one I've been dreaming of since the '10 was announced. I figured
private flights there would once again be possible in my lifetime....
and I feel like it's real close. Alaska is another big dream trip.
Cancun is an extension of the Cuba dream. In general, I'd love to fly
out west. I've towed and flown my old sailplane out in New Mexico,
Montana and Nevada but an engine seems like it could be almost as much fun.
One of the most exciting thoughts is that the '10, when compared to the
Maule, can be more economical in terms of fuel. On a long leg in the
Maule, I average 9 Gals/hour. If the winds don't fight me, I can do 110
knots. Some rough math suggests that Durham to Tampa is 40 gallons in
the Maule but perhaps 35 gallons in the '10. But more important, it's
less time in the seat with an AP thrown in for kicks. Nice!
Bill "working through the FAB thinking how nice the other 99.9% of the
kit is" Watson
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1996 Maule, 180hp, fixed in all respects except for constantly chipping
paint, 1,300 hours
missing my 1986 Rolladen-Schneider LS6b 15meter racing sailplane,
retractable, laminar flow, ballasted, and still faster than the Maule
formerly operator of a PIK20b, terrorizer of many a cow, may she RIP
(the '10 will be my first plane without reflex flaps - how strange is that?)
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One thing I see lots of is that people like to fly to
things in their own backyards, but they don't always
want to go somewhere further. (with the normal exception
of OSH) I find it funny that I know a lot of builders
on the East Coast who go all over the East, but seldom
consider going West of the Rockies. Then I know a lot
of folks West of the Rockies and they've never been out
East. Same when you divide North from South. Personally,
I think people should use these "magic carpets" to shrink
their world a little bit further and not be afraid to
venture from coast to coast, even for a good fly-in.
I added a day of just hanging out in my last Oregon
trip, yet did that trip as what basically was designed
to be a 4 day weekend. Last fall we did the East Coast
and flew NYC's hudson in a 4 day trip. You can do an
awful lot with 4 or 5 days, so I say, go enjoy the sky
for a while. The RV-10 really makes it possible to
be ANYWHERE in the continental US with a fairly easy 2
days of flying. So get out of your own backyard and
go visit somewhere else...there's just so much to
see and experience!
We're still needing to get to the central South states,
so over the next year or two that's going to be on our
list. Then we'll go revisit them all. 
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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The flaps on the -10 are reflex.......3 degrees....your next plane will have
to be the first without reflex flaps...
Rene' Felker
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Bill
I hate to tell you the -10 has reflex flaps. The up position is 3% reflex.
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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Yes, I've heard and seen that the normal cruise position has them
slightly reflexed. Marginal but touche'
The Maule has a -8 degree position that's supposed to speed you up in
cruise. I can imagine it might in the higher powered models but
definitely not in the 180. I've really tried... but you only get worse
visibility and the same speed. Great for transitioning to a 'high
speed' run down the ILS
The LS6 had or 1 or 2 reflex detents to -8. You actually felt a
satisfying acceleration when going reflex.
The PIK20b had -8 thru +90 for landing.
Maybe I'll never have a straight wing.
Rene Felker wrote:
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The flaps on the -10 are reflex.......3 degrees....your next plane will have
to be the first without reflex flaps...
Rene' Felker
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:55 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Deems, and you other AZ 10 guys, we are flying (at least that's the plan) to Sedona on 9-4 for a week. It would be nice to at least meet up.... either in Sedona, or we could stop on the way there or on our return trip. I'm sure we'll have a spare day or so to fly... and for that day or so we have accomodations for you as well.
Don McDonald
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From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 12:09 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)>
Tim you might want to consider Copperstate as an alternate to LOE this year. I've heard the same about LOE, great for RV'rs but not much else to do. Copperstate is not so large that flying in and out during the event is the challenge it is (at) OSH. Tie in a visit to Sedona, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Puerto Penasco, San Diego, Las Vegas ??? We'll make it worth your while. I'll fly part way out to meet you so you can have a -10 to look at on your way inbound
Deems drumming up Copperstate attendance Davis
Tim Olson wrote:
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I think gatherings would be fun, but, there is a downside sometimes.
If you go somewhere with tons to do, then nobody does any flying,
and there is too much draw to go visit other things. On the
other hand, if you go somewhere lame, then there is only flying
to do, and the family will get bored. So personally, I really
like the idea of gathering in one spot, and flying around
to a couple others....kind of like the last couple trips I
did like meeting David Maib and Vic and heading to Key West,
or metting Scott and heading to Oregon. That makes for a great
FLYING vacation where you can camp or see things too.
This year I was considering LOE for a fly-in since it's been
a while, but, at the same time, it's not really a super destination
for the kids and family....you basically will love it if you
just want to hang out with other builders, and you can
fly all day long if you want. But, you hang out at the
airport a lot. OSH is a great GATHERING but not the most
convenient place to do lots of flying. What would make
OSH more fun is if people would meet up along the way,
and the closer you got, the more people you had.
So it's hard because everyone has a varied agenda of what
they'd like. I don't think I'll be at LOE this year,
but I know I'll be flying a couple more times on trips by
the end of the year. It's always nice to fly along and look
out the window and see another RV-10.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Deems Davis wrote:
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> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a great gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in getting together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think the biggest attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with other similarly 'infected' types.
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> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several posts each week where several people connect and either meet somewhere or fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread across the US and the logistics are greatly expanded, but it would be nice if we developed into the kind of group that routinely met and flew together either regionally or otherwise.
>
> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where, who, and when they would like to take a trip with some others? and let people naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who know someone might set up part of a website as an " I want to take a trip' bulletin board.
>
> Deems Davis N519PJ
> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
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> Tim Olson wrote:
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>> I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have
>> some great RV-10 gatherings.
>> Tim
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Now thats what I'm talking about !!!!!!!!!  Seriously, we're only a
short flight from Sedona, and would love to hook up with you while
you/re here. There's an RV-10 in Prescott as well. Sedona is an
interesting airport. It sits on the top of a 500' mesa, normally, you
land one way (uphill) and take off the other. The elevation differences
on the ends of the runway is 100'. There is some really amazing 'red
rock' formations in the area. It would make for some REALLY neat
air-to-air shots with your freshly painted plane in the foreground.
(I've got a camera that should be up to the task).
Deems
Don McDonald wrote:
| Quote: | Deems, and you other AZ 10 guys, we are flying (at least that's the
plan) to Sedona on 9-4 for a week. It would be nice to at least meet
up.... either in Sedona, or we could stop on the way there or on our
return trip. I'm sure we'll have a spare day or so to fly... and for
that day or so we have accomodations for you as well.
Don McDonald
--- On *Wed, 8/26/09, Deems Davis /<deemsdavis(at)cox.net>/* wrote:
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering
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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 12:09 PM
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deemsdavis(at)cox.net>>
Tim you might want to consider Copperstate as an alternate to LOE
this year. I've heard the same about LOE, great for RV'rs but not
much else to do. Copperstate is not so large that flying in and
out during the event is the challenge it is (at) OSH. Tie in a visit
to Sedona, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Puerto Penasco, San
Diego, Las Vegas ??? We'll make it worth your while. I'll fly part
way out to meet you so you can have a -10 to look at on your way
inbound
Deems drumming up Copperstate attendance Davis
Tim Olson wrote:
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<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
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> I think gatherings would be fun, but, there is a downside sometimes.
> If you go somewhere with tons to do, then nobody does any flying,
> and there is too much draw to go visit other things. On the
> other hand, if you go somewhere lame, then there is only flying
> to do, and the family will get bored. So personally, I really
> like the idea of gathering in one spot, and flying around
> to a couple others....kind of like the last couple trips I
> did like meeting David Maib and Vic and heading to Key West,
> or metting Scott and heading to Oregon. That makes for a great
> FLYING vacation where you can camp or see things too.
>
> This year I was considering LOE for a fly-in since it's been
> a while, but, at the same time, it's not really a super destination
> for the kids and family....you basically will love it if you
> just want to hang out with other builders, and you can
> fly all day long if you want. But, you hang out at the
> airport a lot. OSH is a great GATHERING but not the most
> convenient place to do lots of flying. What would make
> OSH more fun is if people would meet up along the way,
> and the closer you got, the more people you had.
>
> So it's hard because everyone has a varied agenda of what
> they'd like. I don't think I'll be at LOE this year,
> but I know I'll be flying a couple more times on trips by
> the end of the year. It's always nice to fly along and look
> out the window and see another RV-10.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
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<deemsdavis(at)cox.net
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=deemsdavis(at)cox.net>>
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>> I like this idea ... RV10 gathering/s. OSH is definitely a
great gathering, but I'd love to see if there's any interest in
getting together somewhere with some other builder/flyers. I think
the biggest attraction to OSH for me is just getting to visit with
other similarly 'infected' types.
>>
>> I monitor the SoCal RV list, and they routinely have several
posts each week where several people connect and either meet
somewhere or fly somewhere together. I realize we're spread
across the US and the logistics are greatly expanded, but it would
be nice if we developed into the kind of group that routinely met
and flew together either regionally or otherwise.
>>
>> What if people just used this list to post ideas about where,
who, and when they would like to take a trip with some others? and
let people naturally connect? If it turns out to be a benefit, who
know someone might set up part of a website as an " I want to take
a trip' bulletin board.
>>
>> Deems Davis N519PJ
>> http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
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>> Tim Olson wrote:
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<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
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>>> I just do it to try to get you all to finish up so we can have
>>> some great RV-10 gatherings.
>>> Tim
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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On a recent trip to AZ I did a few landings at Payson (PAY) between
Deems & Sedona. It was beautiful there, more like Colorado than AZ
(5,200 MSL). Looked like a really cool diner on the airport edge
overlooking the runway. The type of place people use as a destination to
ride their Harleys to on the weekend. Check it out. As I remember it was
also the cheapest fuel in the area (but check me on that). Payson also
where I learned that landing at 80 Knots gets you to land exactly on the
1,000' markers. The far 1,000' markers.
Robin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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One caution about Sedona. If the winds are strong from the Southwest you may
need to land at Flagstaff or Prescott and wait for more favorable weather.
The rotor effect is very strong with high winds and a landing to the
Southwest. Because the runway 21 is downhill, the approaching aircraft
falsely appears to be high. Check this.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 070418X00434&key=1. Sedona is
very nice but can be dangerous with strong SW winds.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:54 am Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Payson diner is the Crosswinds Café and for good reason. IIRC there are
windsocks at both ends and atop the café. If wind conditions are strong they
can all be indicating different directions. Makes for an interesting
landing. Watch the approach speeds and keep them in reason so you land on
the part of the runway that matches your windsock. Runway 6 is downhill.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Payson is a local favorite for breakfast runs, along with Sedona and
Prescott. However, it is not a cheap fuel spot. St. Johns, 30 min
further east will be the low price in the state most of the time,
closely followed by Casa Grande and Eloy. Eloy is a full time jump
school, requiring attention for jump planes and non-standard pattern,
has a cafe on field.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Robin Marks<robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> wrote:
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On a recent trip to AZ I did a few landings at Payson (PAY) between
Deems & Sedona. It was beautiful there, more like Colorado than AZ
(5,200 MSL). Looked like a really cool diner on the airport edge
overlooking the runway. The type of place people use as a destination to
ride their Harleys to on the weekend. Check it out. As I remember it was
also the cheapest fuel in the area (but check me on that). Payson also
where I learned that landing at 80 Knots gets you to land exactly on the
1,000' markers. The far 1,000' markers.
Robin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:41 am Post subject: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ???? |
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Try changing your seats to Oregon areo. As a previous maule owner (700hrs+) and one who maintains one now and flies it. It made all the difference in the world and when I found out the 10 had it built in, I was happier with the RV even more. 8.5 hrs one day osh to DWH.
And yes the reflex does work better.
Did anyone else go by Oregon Areo and talk to the guy who worked on the seat for Van. He said they are looking at modifying the seat latch. Now that would be nice but My friend here and I got the extension from cleveland and they work a whole lot better then stock.
Patrick Thyssen
Just my opion
--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
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From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A Gathering ????
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 4:40 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <[url=/mc/compose?to=MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com]MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com[/url]>
You are killing me Tim! I can barely face the Maule for a CC jaunt anymore. It's just too slow.
Before starting the '10, we flew the heck out of our Maule from northern NY to Key West. From the Outer Banks to Houston. All from our homebase in Durham NC. For the Maule, that's not so much a regional limit as a butts-in-seats issue. The hour long leg is not a bad thing either as long as you do it often. We were lucky enough to have a mission most weekends for a 2 hour out and return. Nothing like a schedule to exercise the IFR chops.
I wouldn't want to knock the builders who don't feel the need to take off for parts unknown. Some of us are in this to build, others may prefer a sport acro session in a single digit RV, and some just like to pound the patch. But the '10 is my dream of a magic carpet. As much as I'm enjoying the build, I can hardly wait to fly it.
I have several dream trips I hope to make if the fates allow. Cuba is one I've been dreaming of since the '10 was announced. I figured private flights there would once again be possible in my lifetime.... and I feel like it's real close. Alaska is another big dream trip. Cancun is an extension of the Cuba dream. In general, I'd love to fly out west. I've towed and flown my old sailplane out in New Mexico, Montana and Nevada but an engine seems like it could be almost as much fun.
One of the most exciting thoughts is that the '10, when compared to the Maule, can be more economical in terms of fuel. On a long leg in the Maule, I average 9 Gals/hour. If the winds don't fight me, I can do 110 knots. Some rough math suggests that Durham to Tampa is 40 gallons in the Maule but perhaps 35 gallons in the '10. But more important, it's less time in the seat with an AP thrown in for kicks. Nice!
Bill "working through the FAB thinking how nice the other 99.9% of the kit is" Watson
footnotes:
RV10, 40605, 3 years in the making, username = Tigressa, password Osh10kosh
1996 Maule, 180hp, fixed in all respects except for constantly chipping paint, 1,300 hours
missing my 1986 Rolladen-Schneider LS6b 15meter racing sailplane, retractable, laminar flow, ballasted, and still faster than the Maule
formerly operator of a PIK20b, terrorizer of many a cow, may she RIP
(the '10 will be my first plane without reflex flaps - how strange is that?)
Tim Olson wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <[url=/mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com[/url]>
One thing I see lots of is that people like to fly to
things in their own backyards, but they don't always
want to go somewhere further. (with the normal exception
of OSH) I find it funny that I know a lot of builders
on the East Coast who go all over the East, but seldom
consider going West of the Rockies. Then I know a lot
of folks West of the Rockies and they've never been out
East. Same when you divide North from South. Personally,
I think people should use these "magic carpets" to shrink
their world a little bit further and not be afraid to
venture from coast to coast, even for a good fly-in.
I added a day of just hanging out in my last Oregon
trip, yet did that trip as what basically was designed
to be a 4 day weekend. Last fall we did the East Coast
and flew NYC's hudson in a 4 day trip. You can do an
awful lot with 4 or 5 days, so I say, go enjoy the sky
for a while. The RV-10 really makes it possible to
be ANYWHERE in the continental US with a fairly easy 2
days of flying. So get out of your own backyard and
go visit somewhere else...there's just so much to
see and experience!
We're still needing to get to the central South states,
so over the next year or two that's going to be on our
list. Then we'll go revisit them all.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Ditto the comments on Payson, a neat place. I learned to fly my RV-4 there
in the mid 90s.
At that time Herb Ross, one of Van's first employees, was running a little
builder assistance business there.
IIRC there was another company down in Tuscon doing the same thing.
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Foam seats from Oregon - I like it! I'll have to add that to the list
for the future overhaul of my Maule assuming I can keep it. Right now
I fly with a rolled up magazine for lumbar support.
One thing I've learned, I want cloth or at least cloth panels on my '10
seats. The Maule seats aren't particularly comfortable ergonomically
but never really had a problem with sweating and stuff despite the NC
summers we get here. Cloth over leather or vinyl I'm thinking.
DWH... I've flown into Westheimer a couple of times to visit my
brother. I don't even like to measure the time from 8NC8 to there,
especially east to west. Flew into Hobby one rainy night too. Nice
folks..."since we don't have any tiedowns we'll have to hangar it for
you... charge? what charge?"
Guess I'm a bit closer to Osh - I think it took around 6 hours of air
time. Promised myself I'm going in the '10 next time!
Thanks.
Bill "cutting foam for the FAB" Watson
do not archive
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
| Quote: | Try changing your seats to Oregon areo. As a previous maule owner
(700hrs+) and one who maintains one now and flies it. It made all the
difference in the world and when I found out the 10 had it built in, I
was happier with the RV even more. 8.5 hrs one day osh to DWH.
And yes the reflex does work better.
Did anyone else go by Oregon Areo and talk to the guy who worked on
the seat for Van. He said they are looking at modifying the seat
latch. Now that would be nice but My friend here and I got the
extension from cleveland and they work a whole lot better then stock.
Patrick Thyssen
Just my opion
--- On *Thu, 8/27/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson
/<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>/* wrote:
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A
Gathering ????
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 4:40 PM
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com </mc/compose?to=MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
You are killing me Tim! I can barely face the Maule for a CC
jaunt anymore. It's just too slow.
Before starting the '10, we flew the heck out of our Maule from
northern NY to Key West. From the Outer Banks to Houston. All
from our homebase in Durham NC. For the Maule, that's not so much
a regional limit as a butts-in-seats issue. The hour long leg is
not a bad thing either as long as you do it often. We were lucky
enough to have a mission most weekends for a 2 hour out and
return. Nothing like a schedule to exercise the IFR chops.
I wouldn't want to knock the builders who don't feel the need to
take off for parts unknown. Some of us are in this to build,
others may prefer a sport acro session in a single digit RV, and
some just like to pound the patch. But the '10 is my dream of a
magic carpet. As much as I'm enjoying the build, I can hardly
wait to fly it.
I have several dream trips I hope to make if the fates allow.
Cuba is one I've been dreaming of since the '10 was announced. I
figured private flights there would once again be possible in my
lifetime.... and I feel like it's real close. Alaska is another
big dream trip. Cancun is an extension of the Cuba dream. In
general, I'd love to fly out west. I've towed and flown my old
sailplane out in New Mexico, Montana and Nevada but an engine
seems like it could be almost as much fun.
One of the most exciting thoughts is that the '10, when compared
to the Maule, can be more economical in terms of fuel. On a long
leg in the Maule, I average 9 Gals/hour. If the winds don't fight
me, I can do 110 knots. Some rough math suggests that Durham to
Tampa is 40 gallons in the Maule but perhaps 35 gallons in the
'10. But more important, it's less time in the seat with an AP
thrown in for kicks. Nice!
Bill "working through the FAB thinking how nice the other 99.9% of
the kit is" Watson
footnotes:
RV10, 40605, 3 years in the making, username = Tigressa, password
Osh10kosh
1996 Maule, 180hp, fixed in all respects except for constantly
chipping paint, 1,300 hours
missing my 1986 Rolladen-Schneider LS6b 15meter racing sailplane,
retractable, laminar flow, ballasted, and still faster than the Maule
formerly operator of a PIK20b, terrorizer of many a cow, may she RIP
(the '10 will be my first plane without reflex flaps - how strange
is that?)
Tim Olson wrote:
>
</mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
>
> One thing I see lots of is that people like to fly to
> things in their own backyards, but they don't always
> want to go somewhere further. (with the normal exception
> of OSH) I find it funny that I know a lot of builders
> on the East Coast who go all over the East, but seldom
> consider going West of the Rockies. Then I know a lot
> of folks West of the Rockies and they've never been out
> East. Same when you divide North from South. Personally,
> I think people should use these "magic carpets" to shrink
> their world a little bit further and not be afraid to
> venture from coast to coast, even for a good fly-in.
> I added a day of just hanging out in my last Oregon
> trip, yet did that trip as what basically was designed
> to be a 4 day weekend. Last fall we did the East Coast
> and flew NYC's hudson in a 4 day trip. You can do an
> awful lot with 4 or 5 days, so I say, go enjoy the sky
> for a while. The RV-10 really makes it possible to
> be ANYWHERE in the continental US with a fairly easy 2
> days of flying. So get out of your own backyard and
> go visit somewhere else...there's just so much to
> see and experience!
>
> We're still needing to get to the central South states,
> so over the next year or two that's going to be on our
> list. Then we'll go revisit them all.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
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Deems Davis
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Posts: 925
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I think the -10 seats are on of the strongest points of Vans design.
Apart from the safety that is apparently engineered into them. They are
just plain COMFORTABLE. On our recent Jaunt we logged 32 hours in less
than 2 weeks. The longest day was 9 hrs and the longest leg was 3:45,
but the limitation wasn't my rear end. I really didn't think about it
until we got home, but at no time during the trip was I uncomfortable in
the seats. (leather covered) And that included temps from 108 to 54
degs. The Bonanza and Baron had some good seats but after 3 hrs I'd find
myself 'wiggling' in the seat. If I ever decide to become an
earthrounder I want these seats!
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
| Quote: |
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Foam seats from Oregon - I like it! I'll have to add that to the list
for the future overhaul of my Maule assuming I can keep it. Right
now I fly with a rolled up magazine for lumbar support.
One thing I've learned, I want cloth or at least cloth panels on my
'10 seats. The Maule seats aren't particularly comfortable
ergonomically but never really had a problem with sweating and stuff
despite the NC summers we get here. Cloth over leather or vinyl I'm
thinking.
DWH... I've flown into Westheimer a couple of times to visit my
brother. I don't even like to measure the time from 8NC8 to there,
especially east to west. Flew into Hobby one rainy night too. Nice
folks..."since we don't have any tiedowns we'll have to hangar it for
you... charge? what charge?"
Guess I'm a bit closer to Osh - I think it took around 6 hours of air
time. Promised myself I'm going in the '10 next time!
Thanks.
Bill "cutting foam for the FAB" Watson
do not archive
Patrick Thyssen wrote:
> Try changing your seats to Oregon areo. As a previous maule owner
> (700hrs+) and one who maintains one now and flies it. It made all the
> difference in the world and when I found out the 10 had it built in,
> I was happier with the RV even more. 8.5 hrs one day osh to DWH.
> And yes the reflex does work better.
> Did anyone else go by Oregon Areo and talk to the guy who worked on
> the seat for Van. He said they are looking at modifying the seat
> latch. Now that would be nice but My friend here and I got the
> extension from cleveland and they work a whole lot better then stock.
> Patrick Thyssen
> Just my opion
> --- On *Thu, 8/27/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> /<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>/* wrote:
> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A
> Gathering ????
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 4:40 PM
>
>
> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com </mc/compose?to=MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
>
> You are killing me Tim! I can barely face the Maule for a CC
> jaunt anymore. It's just too slow.
> Before starting the '10, we flew the heck out of our Maule from
> northern NY to Key West. From the Outer Banks to Houston. All
> from our homebase in Durham NC. For the Maule, that's not so much
> a regional limit as a butts-in-seats issue. The hour long leg is
> not a bad thing either as long as you do it often. We were lucky
> enough to have a mission most weekends for a 2 hour out and
> return. Nothing like a schedule to exercise the IFR chops.
>
> I wouldn't want to knock the builders who don't feel the need to
> take off for parts unknown. Some of us are in this to build,
> others may prefer a sport acro session in a single digit RV, and
> some just like to pound the patch. But the '10 is my dream of a
> magic carpet. As much as I'm enjoying the build, I can hardly
> wait to fly it.
>
> I have several dream trips I hope to make if the fates allow.
> Cuba is one I've been dreaming of since the '10 was announced. I
> figured private flights there would once again be possible in my
> lifetime.... and I feel like it's real close. Alaska is another
> big dream trip. Cancun is an extension of the Cuba dream. In
> general, I'd love to fly out west. I've towed and flown my old
> sailplane out in New Mexico, Montana and Nevada but an engine
> seems like it could be almost as much fun.
>
> One of the most exciting thoughts is that the '10, when compared
> to the Maule, can be more economical in terms of fuel. On a long
> leg in the Maule, I average 9 Gals/hour. If the winds don't fight
> me, I can do 110 knots. Some rough math suggests that Durham to
> Tampa is 40 gallons in the Maule but perhaps 35 gallons in the
> '10. But more important, it's less time in the seat with an AP
> thrown in for kicks. Nice!
>
> Bill "working through the FAB thinking how nice the other 99.9% of
> the kit is" Watson
>
> footnotes:
> RV10, 40605, 3 years in the making, username = Tigressa, password
> Osh10kosh
> 1996 Maule, 180hp, fixed in all respects except for constantly
> chipping paint, 1,300 hours
> missing my 1986 Rolladen-Schneider LS6b 15meter racing sailplane,
> retractable, laminar flow, ballasted, and still faster than the
> Maule
> formerly operator of a PIK20b, terrorizer of many a cow, may she RIP
> (the '10 will be my first plane without reflex flaps - how strange
> is that?)
> Tim Olson wrote:
> >
> </mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
> >
> > One thing I see lots of is that people like to fly to
> > things in their own backyards, but they don't always
> > want to go somewhere further. (with the normal exception
> > of OSH) I find it funny that I know a lot of builders
> > on the East Coast who go all over the East, but seldom
> > consider going West of the Rockies. Then I know a lot
> > of folks West of the Rockies and they've never been out
> > East. Same when you divide North from South. Personally,
> > I think people should use these "magic carpets" to shrink
> > their world a little bit further and not be afraid to
> > venture from coast to coast, even for a good fly-in.
> > I added a day of just hanging out in my last Oregon
> > trip, yet did that trip as what basically was designed
> > to be a 4 day weekend. Last fall we did the East Coast
> > and flew NYC's hudson in a 4 day trip. You can do an
> > awful lot with 4 or 5 days, so I say, go enjoy the sky
> > for a while. The RV-10 really makes it possible to
> > be ANYWHERE in the continental US with a fairly easy 2
> > days of flying. So get out of your own backyard and
> > go visit somewhere else...there's just so much to
> > see and experience!
> >
> > We're still needing to get to the central South states,
> > so over the next year or two that's going to be on our
> > list. Then we'll go revisit them all.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> > do not archive
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Amen to that. Those seats rock. Better than ANY car I've been in. 10
hrs is a breeze!
Tim
On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: |
I think the -10 seats are on of the strongest points of Vans design.
Apart from the safety that is apparently engineered into them. They
are just plain COMFORTABLE. On our recent Jaunt we logged 32 hours
in less than 2 weeks. The longest day was 9 hrs and the longest leg
was 3:45, but the limitation wasn't my rear end. I really didn't
think about it until we got home, but at no time during the trip was
I uncomfortable in the seats. (leather covered) And that included
temps from 108 to 54 degs. The Bonanza and Baron had some good seats
but after 3 hrs I'd find myself 'wiggling' in the seat. If I ever
decide to become an earthrounder I want these seats!
Deems Davis N519PJ
http://deemsrv10.com/index.html
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
>
> >
>
> Foam seats from Oregon - I like it! I'll have to add that to the
> list for the future overhaul of my Maule assuming I can keep it.
> Right now I fly with a rolled up magazine for lumbar support.
>
> One thing I've learned, I want cloth or at least cloth panels on my
> '10 seats. The Maule seats aren't particularly comfortable
> ergonomically but never really had a problem with sweating and
> stuff despite the NC summers we get here. Cloth over leather or
> vinyl I'm thinking.
>
> DWH... I've flown into Westheimer a couple of times to visit my
> brother. I don't even like to measure the time from 8NC8 to there,
> especially east to west. Flew into Hobby one rainy night too.
> Nice folks..."since we don't have any tiedowns we'll have to hangar
> it for you... charge? what charge?"
>
> Guess I'm a bit closer to Osh - I think it took around 6 hours of
> air time. Promised myself I'm going in the '10 next time!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill "cutting foam for the FAB" Watson
> do not archive
> Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>> Try changing your seats to Oregon areo. As a previous maule owner
>> (700hrs+) and one who maintains one now and flies it. It made all
>> the difference in the world and when I found out the 10 had it
>> built in, I was happier with the RV even more. 8.5 hrs one day osh
>> to DWH.
>> And yes the reflex does work better.
>> Did anyone else go by Oregon Areo and talk to the guy who worked
>> on the seat for Van. He said they are looking at modifying the
>> seat latch. Now that would be nice but My friend here and I got
>> the extension from cleveland and they work a whole lot better then
>> stock.
>> Patrick Thyssen
>> Just my opion
>> --- On *Thu, 8/27/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson /<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
>> >/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: Re: Olsons great getaway writeup - A
>> Gathering ????
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 4:40 PM
>>
>>
>> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com </mc/compose?to=MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
>>
>> You are killing me Tim! I can barely face the Maule for a CC
>> jaunt anymore. It's just too slow.
>> Before starting the '10, we flew the heck out of our Maule from
>> northern NY to Key West. From the Outer Banks to Houston. All
>> from our homebase in Durham NC. For the Maule, that's not so
>> much
>> a regional limit as a butts-in-seats issue. The hour long leg is
>> not a bad thing either as long as you do it often. We were lucky
>> enough to have a mission most weekends for a 2 hour out and
>> return. Nothing like a schedule to exercise the IFR chops.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to knock the builders who don't feel the need to
>> take off for parts unknown. Some of us are in this to build,
>> others may prefer a sport acro session in a single digit RV, and
>> some just like to pound the patch. But the '10 is my dream of a
>> magic carpet. As much as I'm enjoying the build, I can hardly
>> wait to fly it.
>>
>> I have several dream trips I hope to make if the fates
>> allow. Cuba is one I've been dreaming of since the '10 was
>> announced. I
>> figured private flights there would once again be possible in my
>> lifetime.... and I feel like it's real close. Alaska is another
>> big dream trip. Cancun is an extension of the Cuba dream. In
>> general, I'd love to fly out west. I've towed and flown my old
>> sailplane out in New Mexico, Montana and Nevada but an engine
>> seems like it could be almost as much fun.
>>
>> One of the most exciting thoughts is that the '10, when compared
>> to the Maule, can be more economical in terms of fuel. On a
>> long
>> leg in the Maule, I average 9 Gals/hour. If the winds don't
>> fight
>> me, I can do 110 knots. Some rough math suggests that Durham to
>> Tampa is 40 gallons in the Maule but perhaps 35 gallons in the
>> '10. But more important, it's less time in the seat with an AP
>> thrown in for kicks. Nice!
>>
>> Bill "working through the FAB thinking how nice the other 99.9%
>> of
>> the kit is" Watson
>>
>> footnotes:
>> RV10, 40605, 3 years in the making, username = Tigressa, password
>> Osh10kosh
>> 1996 Maule, 180hp, fixed in all respects except for constantly
>> chipping paint, 1,300 hours
>> missing my 1986 Rolladen-Schneider LS6b 15meter racing sailplane,
>> retractable, laminar flow, ballasted, and still faster than the
>> Maule
>> formerly operator of a PIK20b, terrorizer of many a cow, may
>> she RIP
>> (the '10 will be my first plane without reflex flaps - how
>> strange
>> is that?)
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>> >
>> </mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
>> >
>> > One thing I see lots of is that people like to fly to
>> > things in their own backyards, but they don't always
>> > want to go somewhere further. (with the normal exception
>> > of OSH) I find it funny that I know a lot of builders
>> > on the East Coast who go all over the East, but seldom
>> > consider going West of the Rockies. Then I know a lot
>> > of folks West of the Rockies and they've never been out
>> > East. Same when you divide North from South. Personally,
>> > I think people should use these "magic carpets" to shrink
>> > their world a little bit further and not be afraid to
>> > venture from coast to coast, even for a good fly-in.
>> > I added a day of just hanging out in my last Oregon
>> > trip, yet did that trip as what basically was designed
>> > to be a 4 day weekend. Last fall we did the East Coast
>> > and flew NYC's hudson in a 4 day trip. You can do an
>> > awful lot with 4 or 5 days, so I say, go enjoy the sky
>> > for a while. The RV-10 really makes it possible to
>> > be ANYWHERE in the continental US with a fairly easy 2
>> > days of flying. So get out of your own backyard and
>> > go visit somewhere else...there's just so much to
>> > see and experience!
>> >
>> > We're still needing to get to the central South states,
>> > so over the next year or two that's going to be on our
>> > list. Then we'll go revisit them all.
>> >
>> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> > do not archive
>> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-
>> Listhp; -Matt Draronics.com/contribution"
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Deems
When you are in Branson, I would love to get a look at your airplane.
We are a little West of there.
We are doing some vacation in Oct. so it may not work out.
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If you decide on Gaston's we are pretty near there. You can come
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