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kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: Flight Manual |
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Hi Guys
Just read article Ramp Check page 16 Sport Aviation.
Are we required to have a flight manual? Our planes do not come with one.
If so what info needs to be in it?
I have check sheets that cover Start up, Taxi, Take off, Landing, and emergency.
Bob A
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: Flight Manual |
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Bob
Unless something is new (and I have benn out of site awhile) I do not think it s required. If so Galien made a great one and I think he has it avail on his web site or available somehow.
I´m sure he will jump in when he has a chance. He just moved back to the US
Rich
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From: Robert Anderson <kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Flight Manual
To: "kisbuilders" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:54 AM
Hi Guys
Just read article Ramp Check page 16 Sport Aviation.
Are we required to have a flight manual? Our planes do not come with one.
If so what info needs to be in it?
I have check sheets that cover Start up, Taxi, Take off, Landing, and emergency.
Bob A
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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: Flight Manual |
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I have a copy of the manual I made up based on a lot of other manuals available. You can download it in PDF format at:
http://puertoricoflyer.com/KIS4%20Aiplane%20Manual.pdf
If you want it in WORD format (easier to modify) let me know and I will send it to you. In WORD format it is quite a large file, about 12MB.
Galin
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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com (richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] Bob
Unless something is new (and I have benn out of site awhile) I do not think it s required. If so Galien made a great one and I think he has it avail on his web site or available somehow.
I´m sure he will jump in when he has a chance. He just moved back to the US
Rich
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From: Robert Anderson <kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com (kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com)>
Subject: Flight Manual
To: "kisbuilders" <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:54 AM
Hi Guys
Just read article Ramp Check page 16 Sport Aviation.
Are we required to have a flight manual? Our planes do not come with one.
If so what info needs to be in it?
I have check sheets that cover Start up, Taxi, Take off, Landing, and emergency.
Bob A
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: Flight Manual |
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Robert Reed
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: Flight Manual |
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All,
There are two sample copies of flight manuals, one for the TR-1 and one for the TR-4 on my website under the tips and tricks section. They are both in the PDF format and can be downloaded. I believe I have the text versions of both as well if you need them. They could be easily updated and modified for individual use.
Bob Reed
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kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: Flight Manual |
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Hi OC
Thanks' for your reply. I am well aware that I have asked this question before, however unlike gravity, the FAA is more than willing to change the rules. After reading the article in Sport Aviation I thought I would ask it again. Maybe their might be a new answer.
I have a couple of new questions.
Do you have a flight manual in your plane?
Have you ever been ramp checked or have first hand knowledge of someone who has that did not have a flight manual? If so, how did that go?
Thanks' in advance.
Bob Anderson
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Subject: Re: Flight Manual
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com, kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 7:07 PM
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kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: Flight Manual |
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Hi Galin
Thanks' for your reply.
WOW what a manual !!
If it would be easier to modify in word format that is what I would like. Please send it to me direct. kcruiser(at)hickorytech.net (kcruiser(at)hickorytech.net)
Are you going to Oshkosh? I'll be there Friday and Saturday.
Thanks' in advance
Bob Anderson
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From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Flight Manual
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:40 AM
I have a copy of the manual I made up based on a lot of other manuals available. You can download it in PDF format at:
http://puertoricoflyer.com/KIS4%20Aiplane%20Manual.pdf
If you want it in WORD format (easier to modify) let me know and I will send it to you. In WORD format it is quite a large file, about 12MB.
Galin
N819PR
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com (richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Bob
Unless something is new (and I have benn out of site awhile) I do not think it s required. If so Galien made a great one and I think he has it avail on his web site or available somehow.
I´m sure he will jump in when he has a chance. He just moved back to the US
Rich
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Subject: Flight Manual
To: "kisbuilders" <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:54 AM
Hi Guys
Just read article Ramp Check page 16 Sport Aviation.
Are we required to have a flight manual? Our planes do not come with one.
If so what info needs to be in it?
I have check sheets that cover Start up, Taxi, Take off, Landing, and emergency.
Bob A
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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: Flight Manual |
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I would LOVE to get to Oshkosh, but I just started a "new" job so, maybe
next year.  (
I sent you the handbook in WORD format which is much easier to modify.
Galin
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Robert Anderson <kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com>wrote:
[quote] Hi Galin
Thanks' for your reply.
WOW what a manual !!
If it would be easier to modify in word format that is what I would like.
Please send it to me direct. kcruiser(at)hickorytech.net
Are you going to Oshkosh? I'll be there Friday and Saturday.
Thanks' in advance
Bob Anderson
--- On *Wed, 6/2/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Flight Manual
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:40 AM
I have a copy of the manual I made up based on a lot of other manuals
available. You can download it in PDF format at:
http://puertoricoflyer.com/KIS4%20Aiplane%20Manual.pdf
If you want it in WORD format (easier to modify) let me know and I will
send it to you. In WORD format it is quite a large file, about 12MB.
Galin
N819PR
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com<http://us.mc434.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com>
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> Bob
> Unless something is new (and I have benn out of site awhile) I do not
> think it s required. If so Galien made a great one and I think he has it
> avail on his web site or available somehow.
> I´m sure he will jump in when he has a chance. He just moved back to the
> US
> Rich
> --- On *Wed, 6/2/10, Robert Anderson <kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com<http://us.mc434.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com>
> >* wrote:
> From: Robert Anderson <kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com<http://us.mc434.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com>
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> Subject: Flight Manual
> To: "kisbuilders" <kis-list(at)matronics.com<http://us.mc434.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kis-list(at)matronics.com>
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> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:54 AM
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> Hi Guys
> Just read article Ramp Check page 16 Sport Aviation.
> Are we required to have a flight manual? Our planes do not come with one
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bakerocb
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:35 am Post subject: Flight Manual |
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6/8/2010
Hello Bob, You wrote:
1) "Do you have a flight manual in your plane?"
{Response} No, I do not, but I have one in my computer -- does that count?
Hans Christian Erstad created a very nice 40 page manual for his KIS TR-1,
LN-KIS, (thanks again Hans Cristian) and made it available to us in some
manner that allowed me to download it. I have not yet modified it to meet my
airplane's information nor printed it out.
Do you suppose that if I put that file on a disc and put that in the
airplane it would fulfill the EAA's implied requirement for an experimental
amateur built airplane to have a flight manual on board?
On my soap box now -- I was very disappointed in the page 16 article in the
May 2010 issue of Sport Aviation.
Discussion:
I have made the point in the past of lawyers and bureaucrats writing
(including regulations) as if only type certificated airplanes existed. This
requires the experimental amateur built airplane builder and pilot to read
with a skeptical and searching mind. That is OK when reading some newstand
type "Gee, this is really me, really flying, a real airplane" magazine, but
I expect a higher standard of writing from the EAA.
To whit:
A) One paragraph in the page 16 article reads in part: "The inspector will
want to see aircraft documents, too. These include ....... radio station
license ...........".
A radio station license for an airplane is only required in certain
circumstances-- the article just glosses over this point -- sloppy writing
/ editing by the "Expert Panel".
B) Another paragraph discussing the requirement to have a flight manual
aboard reads in part: "Flying a rental aircraft without a flight manual is a
good example. .................. If you own the aircraft or built it,
obviously there is no one else to blame. ".
This paragraph implies that a flight manual is a mandatory item to be
carried in an experimental amateur built airplane. No regulatory
requirement for this implication is cited. This article in this magazine
owes us this citation, but does not provide it -- why not?
2) "Have you ever been ramp checked or have first hand knowledge of someone
who has that did not have a flight manual? If so, how did that go?"
{Response} Nope, no first hand knowledge -- only read or heard of horror
stories. Most recent one was of a local pilot flying a type certificated
helicopter who was grounded for a while because he did not have a copy of
the FAA letter on board authorizing his AASI (Aviation Medical Examiner
Assisted Special Issuance) medical certification letter with him on the
aircraft. A pilot is required to have both the issued medical certificate
and the FAA letter authorizing it with him when flying.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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