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Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group:  Have

any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so,

how helpful was it?  I've built an airplane before, but have not done a

lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of rivets.

I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

to just dive in and get started.



Jack Phillips

Raleigh, NC



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phil(at)asibuildings.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

Jack,



I built a couple of wood, tube and fabric planes before the 10 but had not

done much metal work.  I took the workshop and came out feeling very

comfortable with my new found metal skills and went to work.



Phil

40122, interior and final plumbing



At 12:55 PM 4/19/2006 -0400, you wrote:

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As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group:  Have

any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so,

how helpful was it?  I've built an airplane before, but have not done a

lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of rivets.

I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

to just dive in and get started.



Jack Phillips

Raleigh, NC



Working together.  For life.(sm)

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jjessen(at)rcn.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

I took the EAA workshop on building aluminum planes and found it best for

the truly uninitiated.  I learned a few things, but nothing that helped me

take what I already knew to the next level.  I've learned more since from my

technical advisor.  The workshop I took may be different than the one

designed specifically for RV's.  Drop a line to our new guru of such things,

Dan Checkoway.  He'll have an opinion or two.  Dan?  



John Jessen

  RV-10 Tailcone



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dmasys(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

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 As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group:  Have

 any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so,

 how helpful was it?  I've built an airplane before, but have not done a

 lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of rivets.

 I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

 to just dive in and get started.


	


Maybe I get a minute of fame here for saying that Dan Checkoway and I took the RV building workshop together back in 2001 (even parked my C182 next to his Mooney when we both flew into Corona for the event.)



I was already about a month into building the -7 and have to say I didn't really learn that many new manual skills, though it was a great place to ask newbie questions.  However, the best part was that I took my wife along and it made a dramatic difference in her ownership of the project and willingness to serve as "Rosie the Riveter."  For that alone it was worth the price of admission.



-Dan Masys

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armywrights(at)adelphia.n
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

I did the regular sheetmetal workshop instead of the RV one.  Good class.

I've taught my wife to buck rivets so you're already way ahead....



Rob #392

Awaiting QB ship.



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LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

In a message dated 4/19/06 1:04:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:

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		  wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

to just dive in and get started. 	


       I spent an hour last year at Sun n Fun in the metal workshop tent, doing a few rivets, flush rivets, removing rivets (that is a good one to learn), then get started. The kit is excellent~!.   I built the tool box kit from Van's.... fun project to do, but just get started after you drive a few practice rivets.  Van's send you scrap metal in the empennage kit. Drill lots of holes in it and de bur, then rivet with the size you will use for practice.  Us the rivet check gauge to verify that your shop head is coming out the right size. Then drill a few rivets out for practice.  Simple! 

  

 Steve

 

Stephen Blank             RV-10 Builder / Cessna 170B flyer

766 SE River Lane

Port St. Lucie, FL 34983



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JSMcGrew(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

I went to Synergy Air's builder's basic course (1 day) and would highly  recommend it. I had started on the tail kit when I went and was doing fine.  After the class, however, my confidence level, workmanship and speed went up 10  fold. There are so many little tricks you learn that can make an otherwise  tedious/painful/difficult job a piece of cake.

  

 I also attended the 2 day fiberglass and painting class given at  Synergy. That has certainly helped me get through the canopy and cowling work  rapidly.

  

 I think I have made back all the time and money that I invested in the  classes.

  

 Jim

 40134

  

 In a message dated 4/19/2006 8:22:35 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com writes:

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		        In a message dated 4/19/06 1:04:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,    Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:

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		  wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

to just      dive in and get started. 	


         I spent an hour last year at Sun n Fun in    the metal workshop tent, doing a few rivets, flush rivets, removing rivets    (that is a good one to learn), then get started. The kit is    excellent~!.   I built the tool box kit from Van's.... fun project    to do, but just get started after you drive a few practice rivets.  Van's    send you scrap metal in the empennage kit. Drill lots of holes in it and de    bur, then rivet with the size you will use for practice.  Us the rivet    check gauge to verify that your shop head is coming out the right size. Then    drill a few rivets out for practice.  Simple! 

    

   Steve

   

Stephen    Blank                RV-10 Builder / Cessna 170B flyer

766 SE River Lane

Port St. Lucie, FL    34983



772-475-5556  cell

Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

Thanks for all the input.  I think we’ll try to go to the RV Assembly workshop they are offering in OSH the last week of August.  We’ll run up there in the RV-4 and swing by Mackinac Island on the way home for Karen to visit a friend.  I like the idea of getting her to feel ownership in the RV-10 project (although every time we take a long trip in the RV-4 she asks “when are we going to build a bigger airplane?”).  If I can pick up just one tip or technique that I don’t know already it is probably worth it.  

   

Jack Phillips  

Raleigh, NC  

   

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jwik(at)crary.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

With no RV builders in my area as a resource,  I obtained some tools and 

reference materials prior to ordering my kit to self-instruct.  Just 

prior to my tail kit arriving I went to the Sportair Workshop in Oshkosh 

for the sheet metal class.   I learned some very useful techniques and 

tips,  and the biggest value was reinforcing what I had already 

learned,  and the confidence that I wasn't launching into it with some 

terrible practices.



While there I heard great reviews for the Electrical workshop and will 

probably look for an opportunity to attend that as well.



By the way,  a recent post had someone out east trying to sell their 

tail kit.  FYI



Phillips, Jack wrote:



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As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group:  Have

any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so,

how helpful was it?  I've built an airplane before, but have not done a

lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of rivets.

I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

to just dive in and get started.



Jack Phillips

Raleigh, NC



Working together.  For life.(sm)

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Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

Yeah, I saw that post about the tail kit for sale.  Price was very close

to the kit price, and I would rather just do it myself than have to deal

with someone else's workmanship.  When I was looking for an RV-4 to buy

I looked at 7 airplanes before I found one with really good workmanship.

I learned to look at the tail since that is always the first part built

and any flaws usually show there.  I figure building the tail will give

me the experience necessary to tackle the wings and fuselage.



Jack Phillips



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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

If you've done that one then you should be good to go.  It's easy, and plans

are great.  There are some shortcuts to take that most of us will take about

off line.



Bob K

Working on engine



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mike(at)cleavelandtool.co
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

Just as a shameless self promotion...



We teach a building class too.  The last six months the schedule has been a

little unpredictable but we have one going on yesterday and today.  The next

should be near the end of May, then one June 16th & 17th the days before

Boone's annual RV Day Fly-In.



We focus on teaching excellent quality of work, and what to look for when

using tools.  We have a high instructor to student ratio (usually 1:2) and

are taught now by full time RV builders with multiple awards on their

shelves.  The class is located in a hangar with 8 RV's under construction (2

-10's).  Everyone taking our classes have expressed that it was well worth

the investment (including those that have taken other classes).



Cost is $325 and if you bring your spouse, or building partner they are half

price.  I agree that this is a great way to motivate them.



Please email me with any questions.  Mike(at sign)CleavelandTool.com



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 As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group:  Have

 any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so,

 how helpful was it?  I've built an airplane before, but have not done a

 lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of rivets.

 I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

 to just dive in and get started.

jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

I took the EAA course before starting the building process. What I liked was

learning what not to do and talking to other builders.



I went in knowing next to nothing and came out knowing enough to be dangerous.

Seriously, you will learn stuff if you keep your eyes and ears open. As for the

value per dollar... I felt I got my money worth. Not everyone has the luxury of

having a technical advisor at their beck and call.



Those that say they didn't learn a thing - probably didn't because they must

already know everything already. Flame away!



Jay



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      > 

      > As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group:  Have

      > any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so,

      > how helpful was it?  I've built an airplane before, but have not done a

      > lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of

rivets.

      > I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the workshops or

      > to just dive in and get started.



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Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

My wife and I just got back from Eugene, OR where we spent ten days  

with Wally Anderson and his folks at Synergy Air. We took the  

Fundamentals of Building class and then the empennage building class.  

Neither of us had any skills or knowledge about building an airplane.  

I have been active in maintaining a Bonanza I own with a mechanic  

partner for a few years, but that is about it. We left with the tail  

kit completed and a good amount of basic knowledge and confidence  

that we will be able to complete the RV-10 QB.

Wally and his crew are great and the trip was well worth the time and  

money.

David and Mary Maib

On Apr 27, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:

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 <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

 I took the EAA course before starting the building process. What I  

 liked was

 learning what not to do and talking to other builders.

 I went in knowing next to nothing and came out knowing enough to be  

 dangerous.

 Seriously, you will learn stuff if you keep your eyes and ears  

 open. As for the

 value per dollar... I felt I got my money worth. Not everyone has  

 the luxury of

 having a technical advisor at their beck and call.

 Those that say they didn't learn a thing - probably didn't because  

 they must

 already know everything already. Flame away!

 Jay

 Do not archive

>

> As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group:   

> Have

> any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so,

> how helpful was it?  I've built an airplane before, but have not  

> done a

> lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of

 rivets.

> I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the  

> workshops or

> to just dive in and get started.

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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

You built the tail in 10 days!  All the way through the Tailcone?  Yeow!  



John Jessen

  ~328 (speechless) 



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n8vim(at)arrl.net
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

I think we have the problem of having work, life and family get in the 

way of what we want to do (build!)



Now, off to the dentist!



-Jim 40384, stalled on the Flaps (Ha!)



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John Jessen wrote:



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You built the tail in 10 days!  All the way through the Tailcone?  Yeow!  



John Jessen

  ~328 (speechless) 



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LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

In a message dated 4/28/2006 10:57:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,  n8vim(at)arrl.net writes:

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		  I think    we have the problem of having work, life and family get in the 

way of what    we want to do (build!)



Now, off to the dentist!



-Jim 40384,    stalled on the Flaps (Ha!)

	


 

 The things that get in your way will allow me to build my  -10!!  Steve - (dentist)   

 

Stephen  Blank              RV-10 Builder #40499 / Cessna 170B flyer

766 SE River Lane

Port St. Lucie,  FL 34983



772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends

  

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n8vim(at)arrl.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: RV Assembly Workshop

Touché

 

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 LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com (LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com) wrote:

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		                 In a message dated 4/28/2006 10:57:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, n8vim(at)arrl.net (n8vim(at)arrl.net) writes:

    	  Quote: 	
		  I think we have the problem of having work, life and family get in the 

 way of what we want to do (build!)

     

 Now, off to the dentist!

     

 -Jim 40384, stalled on the Flaps (Ha!)

     	
   

   The things that get in your way will allow me to build my -10!!  Steve - (dentist)     

      

 Stephen Blank             RV-10 Builder #40499 / Cessna 170B flyer

 766 SE River Lane

 Port St. Lucie, FL 34983

   

 772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends

    

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