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Considering applying tint film to the insides of the windows. In Florida's hot and sunny climate, tinted windows are a must to keep out most UV and a lot of heat buildup.
ACS sells a kit for this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with tint films?
Al Rosa
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:02 pm Post subject: window tint |
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I know nothing about the ACS kits but have applied tint film to cars and boats. On the boats the windows and hatches tend to be acrylic like the KIS windows. On acrylic (and some other plastics) with the films I have used you should put the film on the outside due to heat. This is especially true for low E (heat blocking) films and in high heat/sun areas.
Compound curves are also an issue with most films.
The local Walmart, Lowes and Home Depot have window tint film. I would not be surprised if they are the same as you get from ACS but 1/4 the price.
Mark
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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: window tint |
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I considered doing this a few years ago when I first purchased my Cruiser. The technician that came to the airport to do the job refused to do it due to the window being plastic and curved. He said that in order to do a good job the film has to be heated while on the window then stretched to properly conform but since the window is plastic it can be permanently damaged in the process. He did not want to take the risk. He recommended I use the plastic tinting spray paint used for tinting plastic car head and tail light covers.
I bought a can of this tint from the local O'Reileys car parts store and practiced on scrap pieces of plexiglass. I found it kinda works with the scale of tint darkness dependent on the number of coats you apply. I am reluctant to actually do it on the airplane since I might screw the whole thing up. I might try with the rear windows and see if I can do a good enough job but I can't get the courage up to actually do it since once it is applied you can't take it off.
Galin
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| Quote: | Considering applying tint film to the insides of the windows. In Florida's hot and sunny climate, tinted windows are a must to keep out most UV and a lot of heat buildup.
ACS sells a kit for this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with tint films?
Al Rosa
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: window tint |
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I think having a light colored interior would make a much larger difference compared to tinting the windows. I would avoid acs for anything not specific to aircraft. I've learned that just because acs sells it doesn't mean it works or is a good product. That water based primer is a good example. I would recommend contacting Aircraft Windshield, they made the windows, and asking what they recommend short of buying new windows with a darker tint. Cheers,Scott
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Considering applying tint film to the insides of the windows. In Florida's hot and sunny climate, tinted windows are a must to keep out most UV and a lot of heat buildup.
ACS sells a kit for this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with tint films?
Al Rosa
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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject: window tint |
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Exactly why I am changing the interiors to a light tan color. I have completed the seat cushions and the baggage compartment. Next is the passenger area and the pilot/copilot area will be last.
Galin
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[quote] I think having a light colored interior would make a much larger difference compared to tinting the windows.
I would avoid acs for anything not specific to aircraft. I've learned that just because acs sells it doesn't mean it works or is a good product. That water based primer is a good example.
I would recommend contacting Aircraft Windshield, they made the windows, and asking what they recommend short of buying new windows with a darker tint.
Cheers,
Scott
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Subject: window tint
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Considering applying tint film to the insides of the windows. In Florida's hot and sunny climate, tinted windows are a must to keep out most UV and a lot of heat buildup.
ACS sells a kit for this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with tint films?
Al Rosa
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: window tint |
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Tinting is more effective in reducing glare than heat. Dual pane would help keep the interior cooler but only if you air-condition the space. Light colors reduces the heat absorption but when the plane sits in the sun it still gets to hot.Shade and venting is about the best you can do. I am in Arizona and try to be finished flying by 10:00 am in the summer. It is usually over a 100 deg. by then.
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: window tint |
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But it's a DRY heat! ;o)
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[quote] Tinting is more effective in reducing glare than heat. Dual pane would help keep the interior cooler but only if you air-condition the space. Light colors reduces the heat absorption but when the plane sits in the sun it still gets to hot.Shade and venting is about the best you can do. I am in Arizona and try to be finished flying by 10:00 am in the summer. It is usually over a 100 deg. by then.
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: window tint |
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Depending on the tint film, tinting can be very effective at blocking heat due to the sun. Some of the low E films block just 10% of the visible light and block up to 60% of the total solar energy (heat gain). Some low E films block up to 85% of the total solar energy but they also block more visible light. The film I have used on the side windows of a car blocks 28% of the visible and 70% of the total solar energy. Most of these films also block UV, some as high as 99%. This really helps reduce sun burn and fading of the interior.
Even the paint you chose can have a big effect and I am not talking about just the color. Most paints actually allow a fair amount of the total solar energy to pass. Yes, light colors reflect more of the visible but maybe not the IR. In fact a fair amount of the IR can pass through light colored paint and fiberglass making your interior hotter. In general, paints (or under-paints) with silver or metallic pigments or some ceramic additives help block IR. IR transmission is not a problem with metal aircraft or metal cars.
Of course solid shade also works and works best! But keep in mind that most cloth may block most of the visible but may not block much of the total solar energy.
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:11 am Post subject: window tint |
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If you use the silver insulated material cut to fit the inside of the windows and keep the vents open for circulation, it will keep the interior near ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will probably go well above the ambient temp. Both systems will protect the interior and panel from the UV rays.
Tim
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:20 am Post subject: window tint |
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I was still in Calif the company I worked for had a material that almost looked like bubble wrap with gold and silver surfaces. we made a few internal window covers with this and it really worked well. Rolled up for storage and held in place with small suckshun cup
Rich
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Subject: Re: window tint
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If you use the silver insulated material cut to fit the inside of the windows and keep the vents open for circulation, it will keep the interior near ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will probably go well above the ambient temp. Both systems will protect the interior and panel from the UV rays.
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: window tint |
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The problem with this kind of silver reflective material on the inside of the windshield is that the UV penetrates the window twice. Once as it enters then again as it is reflected back out. UV light can speed up the deterioration of some plastic material, like plexi-glass. This is normally not an issue with glass windows.
I use a Bruce's Custom Cover "Sunbrella" on the airplane. At least this way when it is out in the sun most of the light (UV included) gets reflected before entering the windshield.
Galin
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[quote] If you use the silver insulated material cut to fit the inside of the windows and keep the vents open for circulation, it will keep the interior near ambient. With the exterior covers the interior will probably go well above the ambient temp. Both systems will protect the interior and panel from the UV rays.
Tim
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:52 pm Post subject: window tint |
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That is what I use also.
Tim
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