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Doug,
When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA has no doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But when I tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they just couldn't seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we live and have grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their incompetence of letting their data base become compromised and made it our problem and not theirs.
My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline and was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new division handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington TSA heads and passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA official; "My job is to get every general aviation plane out of the sky." This is the mind set of a government that wants central planning. We as a people are loosing our freedoms one freedom at a time and I am one pissed off American.
In a message dated 8/4/2011 3:06:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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1. 09:37 AM - Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
2. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 (Doug Dodson)
3. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 09:37:15 AM PST US
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter
11-08-02&Archive=Glasair
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Time: 11:34:48 AM PST US
From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven "unnecessary"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
*
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two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter
11-08-02&Archive=Glasair
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2011-08-02&Archive=Glasair
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Time: 01:13:58 PM PST US
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw(at)ao
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by coopera
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society they n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
*
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in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
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of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Ch
apter
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pter
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douglas.dodson(at)pobox.c
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Screw it. I’m moving to China. Do they have beer there?
- Doug
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:27 AM
To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11
Doug,
When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA has no doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But when I tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they just couldn't seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we live and have grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their incompetence of letting their data base become compromised and made it our problem and not theirs.
My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline and was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new division handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington TSA heads and passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA official; "My job is to get every general aviation plane out of the sky." This is the mind set of a government that wants central planning. We as a people are loosing our freedoms one freedom at a time and I am one pissed off American.
In a message dated 8/4/2011 3:06:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
| Quote: |
*
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
Today's complete Glasair-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter=2011-08-03&Archive=Glasair
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1. 09:37 AM - Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
2. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 (Doug Dodson)
3. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 09:37:15 AM PST US
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
*
========================
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
========================
Today's complete Glasair-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter
11-08-02&Archive=Glasair
Text Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter
2011-08-02&Archive=Glasair
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Time: 11:34:48 AM PST US
From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven "unnecessary"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
*
========================
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
========================
Today's complete Glasair-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter
11-08-02&Archive=Glasair
Text Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter
2011-08-02&Archive=Glasair
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 01:13:58 PM PST US
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw(at)ao
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by coopera
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society they n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
*
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
Today's complete Glasair-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.
HTML Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Ch
apter
11-08-02&Archive=Glasair
Text Version:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Cha
pter
2011-08-02&Archive=Glasair
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Craymondw(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:24 am Post subject: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11 |
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Did you know that China has less business restrictions than the USA and aviation growth is explosive there.
In a message dated 8/4/2011 12:16:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
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Screw it. I’m moving to China. Do they have beer there?
- Doug
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:27 AM
To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11
Doug,
When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA has no doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But when I tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they just couldn't seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we live and have grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their incompetence of letting their data base become compromised and made it our problem and not theirs.
My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline and was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new division handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington TSA heads and passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA official; "My job is to get every general aviation plane out of the sky." This is the mind set of a government that wants central planning. We as a people are loosing our freedoms one freedom at a time and I am one pissed off American.
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Time: 09:37:15 AM PST US
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
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From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven "unnecessary"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
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Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw(at)ao
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by coopera
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society they n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
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Tsingtao Beer, produced by Tsingtao Brewery
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsingtao_Brewery>, has been the best
selling beer in China <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China> for eleven
consecutive years, and is also the brand most widely exported to other
countries.
It's just "okay."
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Screw it. I’m moving to China. Do they have beer there?
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[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*Craymondw(at)aol.com
*Sent:* Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:27 AM
*To:* glasair-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11
Doug,
When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA has
no doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But
when I tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they
just couldn't seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we
live and have grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their
incompetence of letting their data base become compromised and made it
our problem and not theirs.
My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline
and was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new
division handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington
TSA heads and passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA
official; "My job is to get every general aviation plane out of the
sky." This is the mind set of a government that wants central
planning. We as a people are loosing our freedoms one freedom at a
time and I am one pissed off American.
In a message dated 8/4/2011 3:06:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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(Craymondw(at)aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 09:37:15 AM PST US
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with
this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane
my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form
back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my
application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned
the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form
has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are
having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems
and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything
from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he
can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that
wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and
created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the
function of society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent
funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that
isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress
reconvenes
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven
"unnecessary"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to
support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with
this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane
my wife and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back
and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my
application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned
the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form
has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are
having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems
and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything
from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he
can begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that
wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and
created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the
function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
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Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent
funding
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress
reconvenes in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to
support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)ao
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with
this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane
my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form
back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my
application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned
the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the
form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say
electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are
having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems
and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything
from JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he
can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that
wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and
created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
coopera
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
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