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kevinpurtee

Joined: 04 Dec 2008
Posts: 675
Location: Austin/San Marcos, TX

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:00 am Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

If you're considering using a Corvair for your Piet then plan to attend one of the three upcoming Corvair Colleges.  The return on investment is incredible.



CC26: 18 - 20 Sep, Mexico, MO, Zenith Factory

CC27: 8 - 10 Nov, Barnwell, SC, PF Beck & Friends

CC28: 28 Feb - 2 Mar, San Marcos, TX, Shelley & me



See you there!

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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX

bdewenter

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Posts: 125
Location: Dayton, OH

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

Kevin is 100% correct.  I would just like to encourage ANYONE building a Piet to attend a Corvair College.  No matter which engine you are planning on you will learn a TON about flight engines, meet a lot of nice folks, and perhaps score a ride in a Piet.



I attended #19, #20 and #21 as a builder #24 as a helper and will do so again for #27 in Barnwell.  



I'm thinking about attending #28 in Texas.

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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH

john francis

Joined: 06 Jun 2010
Posts: 421
Location: Russia, OH

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) it should be ready to run.  I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problems contacting William Wynne.  I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.  In the box was a letter with my contact information.  I heard nothing.  I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.  He accepted my money via paypal in early May  (I thought maybe this was the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.  



Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head.  Today I called again and left another message.  I also sent another email.  We'll see what happens.



John

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John Francis

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Ryan Mueller

Joined: 16 Jul 2007
Posts: 1243
Location: Urbana, IL

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:41 pm Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

John,



This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's

just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their

time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For

example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair

College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at

http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road

trip to OSH).



You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts

may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run

your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,

do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get

your parts. Cheers,



Ryan



On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) it should be ready to run.  I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problems contacting William Wynne.  I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.  In the box was a letter with my contact information.  I heard nothing.  I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.  He accepted my money vial paypal in early May  (I thought maybe this was the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.  



 Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head.  Today I called again and left another message.  I also sent another email.  We'll see what happens.



 John



 --------

 John Francis





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406794#406794

airlion2(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:06 pm Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

John you might just show up at  corvair college 27 in barn well sc in November. Let wunnerful know you will be there and I will  Bet he will have your districbutor . Gardiner



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On Aug 15, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 John,

 

 This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's

 just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their

 time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For

 example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair

 College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at

 http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road

 trip to OSH).

 

 You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts

 may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run

 your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,

 do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get

 your parts. Cheers,

 

 Ryan

 

 On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:

> 

> 

> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) it should be ready to run.  I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problems contacting William Wynne.  I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.  In the box was a letter with my contact information.  I heard nothing.  I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.  He accepted my money vial paypal in early May  (I thought maybe this was the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.  

> 

> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head.  Today I called again and left another message.  I also sent another email.  We'll see what happens.

> 

> John

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> John Francis

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> Read this topic online here:

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jack(at)textors.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:34 pm Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

No doubt William is a knowledgable authority on Corvairs. That said, early on I considered going that direction, ordered his book and started to look for engines.  After learning about his slow response I went with a C-85. That's not the only reason but I will stop there...

Sent from my iPad

Jack Textor

On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 John,

 This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's

 just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their

 time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For

 example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair

 College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at

 http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road

 trip to OSH).

 You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts

 may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run

 your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,

 do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get

 your parts. Cheers,

 Ryan

 On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:

> 

> 

> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) it should be ready to run.  I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problems contacting William Wynne.  I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.  In the box was a letter with my contact information.  I heard nothing.  I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.  He accepted my money vial paypal in early May  (I thought maybe this was the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.  

> 

> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head.  Today I called again and left another message.  I also sent another email.  We'll see what happens.

> 

> John

> 

> --------

> John Francis

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406794#406794

gboothe

Joined: 10 Jan 2013
Posts: 675

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

Hold me back, Ryan!!



Gary



Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 15, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jack <jack(at)textors.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 No doubt William is a knowledgable authority on Corvairs. That said, early on I considered going that direction, ordered his book and started to look for engines.  After learning about his slow response I went with a C-85. That's not the only reason but I will stop there...

 

 Sent from my iPad

 Jack Textor

 

 On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> wrote:

 

> 

> 

> John,

> 

> This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's

> just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their

> time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For

> example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair

> College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at

> http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road

> trip to OSH).

> 

> You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts

> may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run

> your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,

> do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get

> your parts. Cheers,

> 

> Ryan

> 

> On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) it should be ready to run.  I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problems contacting William Wynne.  I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.  In the box was a letter with my contact information.  I heard nothing.  I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.  He accepted my money vial paypal in early May  (I thought maybe this was the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.  

>> 

>> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head.  Today I called again and left another message.  I also sent another email.  We'll see what happens.

>> 

>> John

>> 

>> --------

>> John Francis

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Read this topic online here:

>> 

>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406794#406794

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Gary Boothe
NX308MB

jack(at)textors.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:34 pm Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

Let it out Gary! Missed you at the Brat Fest this year.

 I will behave now...



Sent from my iPad

Jack Textor



On Aug 15, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hold me back, Ryan!!

 

 Gary

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Aug 15, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jack <jack(at)textors.com> wrote:

 

> 

> 

> No doubt William is a knowledgable authority on Corvairs. That said, early on I considered going that direction, ordered his book and started to look for engines.  After learning about his slow response I went with a C-85. That's not the only reason but I will stop there...

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> Jack Textor

> 

> On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> wrote:

> 

>> 

>> 

>> John,

>> 

>> This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's

>> just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their

>> time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For

>> example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair

>> College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at

>> http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road

>> trip to OSH).

>> 

>> You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts

>> may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run

>> your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,

>> do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get

>> your parts. Cheers,

>> 

>> Ryan

>> 

>> On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) it should be ready to run.  I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problems contacting William Wynne.  I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.  In the box was a letter with my contact information.  I heard nothing.  I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.  He accepted my money vial paypal in early May  (I thought maybe this was the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.  

>>> 

>>> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head.  Today I called again and left another message.  I also sent another email.  We'll see what happens.

>>> 

>>> John

>>> 

>>> --------

>>> John Francis

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Read this topic online here:

>>> 

>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406794#406794

gboothe

Joined: 10 Jan 2013
Posts: 675

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:31 pm Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

The loss was all mine, Jack! Next year is looking much better...



Gary



Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 15, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Jack <jack(at)textors.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Let it out Gary! Missed you at the Brat Fest this year.

 I will behave now...

 

 Sent from my iPad

 Jack Textor

 

 On Aug 15, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> wrote:

 

> 

> 

> Hold me back, Ryan!!

> 

> Gary

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

> On Aug 15, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jack <jack(at)textors.com> wrote:

> 

>> 

>> 

>> No doubt William is a knowledgable authority on Corvairs. That said, early on I considered going that direction, ordered his book and started to look for engines.  After learning about his slow response I went with a C-85. That's not the only reason but I will stop there...

>> 

>> Sent from my iPad

>> Jack Textor

>> 

>> On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> wrote:

>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> John,

>>> 

>>> This is nothing new; it can take time to get parts from William, that's

>>> just the way it is. They are a small operation, and have to divide their

>>> time between production, builder assistance, traveling, and so on. For

>>> example, since you sent your distributor in there has been a Corvair

>>> College, Sun-N-Fun, Brodhead, and Oshkosh (see the Aug 12 write-up at

>>> http://flycorvair.net regarding their 3,500 mile 20-state 21-day road

>>> trip to OSH).

>>> 

>>> You may also find that getting to the point of needing the given parts

>>> may expedite your order, e.g. you are waiting on the distributor to run

>>> your engine as opposed to just wanting the parts; YMMV. That being said,

>>> do not fear: they are a legitimate business, you will eventually get

>>> your parts. Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Ryan

>>> 

>>> On 8/15/2013 2:18 PM, John Francis wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> I have my engine to a point that at the next Corvair College I attend (2014) it should be ready to run.  I've enjoyed every part of building it and look forward to the day it runs and is mounted on my Piet. HOWEVER, I still have problems contacting William Wynne.  I sent my distributor to him in early Feb. for rebuild.  In the box was a letter with my contact information.  I heard nothing.  I followed up with emails and phone calls (left messages) and still nothing.  He accepted my money vial paypal in early May  (I thought maybe this was the problem as I wasn't sure what the final cost would be in Feb) but still no response.  

>>>> 

>>>> Alarm bells are starting to sound in my head.  Today I called again and left another message.  I also sent another email.  We'll see what happens.

>>>> 

>>>> John

>>>> 

>>>> --------

>>>> John Francis

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> Read this topic online here:

>>>> 

>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406794#406794

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Gary Boothe
NX308MB

kevinpurtee

Joined: 04 Dec 2008
Posts: 675
Location: Austin/San Marcos, TX

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

William is nothing if not controversial.  Despite his idiosyncrasies, this is what I know:



1) When I need a part to get the motor running he's on top of it,

2) When I need help diagnosing a problem he's on top of it,

3) He's one of the smartest people I've ever met, no exaggeration,

4) If you want to discuss basic, practical, no-kidding small airplane design he's a wealth of knowledge,

5) I've been doing aviation and industrial safety professionally since 1989.  I've got credentials and everything.  William has helped me clarify and refine my philosophy on aviation safety.  This despite the fact that I've got a butt-load more flight time than he has,

6) If you want to really know how your motor works, he'll help you learn,

7) I am one of the most active Piet builders/flyers in the community and I am confident in my choice to rebuild FBG with a Corvair engine.



Corvair Colleges are educational and entertaining, even if you don't plan to use a Corvair.  They're worth going to just to see what he's going to come up with next.



WW's a heckuvalot better source of information than many of the internet geniuses you'll find dispensing sage advice.  You know who I'm talking about: the guys who didn't build their airplane and barely fly it but tell you all about how to do both.



See you at CC28.

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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX

taildrags

Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Posts: 1682
Location: Medford, OR

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

I didn't build my airplane, I barely fly it, and I tell you about how to do both.   With that out of the way, I'll say a couple of things: (1) my airplane has a Continental engine on it; (2) I have been working on my Corvair conversion for 14 years now, and it is still just a short block and two big boxes of prepped parts.  Oh, and I still need to take the short block back apart so I can get a nitrided crank into it and prep the cases for a 5th bearing; (3) I consider William to be a close personal friend and one of the best and most down-to-earth engine and aircraft technicians and mechanics I have ever met.  He is also extremely clever and practical, has a great sense of humor, and can talk so long that he should rent himself out as a professional filibuster speaker on Capitol Hill.



Sometimes you get things back from William & Grace practically overnight, but other times it takes weeks or months.  I got an engine mount from him the same week I spoke to him on the phone about it, before I sent him a penny in payment, and we are on opposite coasts of the U.S.  The one thing William & Grace are *not*, are swindlers, charlatans, or cheats.  I will stand behind that statement unconditionally.



Off soapbox now; disclaimer: this has been a biased commentary and personal observation and is not intended to create heated discussion.

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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop

john francis

Joined: 06 Jun 2010
Posts: 421
Location: Russia, OH

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened.  I just received an email from WW that my distributor was being mailed today.  Now,  which one of you is God?



John

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John Francis

jack(at)textors.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:39 am Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

I think William...



Sent from my iPad

Jack Textor



On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> wrote:



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 The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened.  I just received an email from WW that my distributor was being mailed today.  Not which one of you is God?

 

 John

 

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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406847#406847

gboothe

Joined: 10 Jan 2013
Posts: 675

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:04 am Post subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

It's Friday...You can't provoke me!



Gary



Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Jack <jack(at)textors.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I think William...

 

 Sent from my iPad

 Jack Textor

 

 On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> wrote:

 

> 

> 

> The Pietenpol Gods must have intervened.  I just received an email from WW that my distributor was being mailed today.  Not which one of you is God?

> 

> John

> 

> --------

> John Francis

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406847#406847

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Gary Boothe
NX308MB

jarheadpilot82

Joined: 21 Mar 2011
Posts: 714
Location: Athens, GA

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges

Ryan, Oscar, and others have said as much, but I will add my 2 and 1/2 cents, and I will keep it short (Honest, Ryan. I promise.   )



In my limited experience with William he is all that Kevin and others have said and more. I have learned much from just speaking with him and reading his blog, and not just about Corvairs. Philosophy of building and maintaining, among other things.



But the one thing he is not is a Johnny-on-the-spot communicator for all of the reasons Ryan wrote. If that is what you must have to do business with him then you should probably move on. But you will miss out on your aviation education by doing so.



However, if you can be patient and accepting of William's way of doing things, it will be well worth it. And if you need a part ASAP, let him know and he will make it happen



Sorry, Ryan. I went longer than I meant to, but it was for a mutual friend.

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Semper Fi,

Terry Hand
Athens, GA

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