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fjmelick(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:15 am Post subject: Tailwind-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/21/13

Gerry:

   

  Thanks for your reply. 

   

  It just seems the LSA price tags are out of sight compared to all the other available aircraft. I am older and had to sell off my airplanes and still would like to fly again before life is over. All the LSA stuff is for the very rich . I am from a time when the cubs and the vagabond were low cost planes for the grass roots guys but today you can't buy them for much under 25k. I saw a tailwind project for sale at a reasonable price and remember the old w-8 with the 85 hp Continental and thought maybe with a climb prop and some mods it could be made dirty and slower. I just did not know how the stall speed could be reduced.

   

  Anyway thanks for the reply.

   

  Not sure I like the buttercup's leading edge configuration. It looks complicated and expensive too. 

   

  Anything that is a project that fits LSA is very expensive compared to other experimental.

   

  I heard the EAA and the other alphabet groups are trying to convince the Government to start a new recreational license that  could allow some of the other certified aircraft to be used with the new license instead of the current LS pilot license. I am sure if that happens the price of a Cessna 150 will double overnight too. 

  At 72 years old I don't think building from scratch is possible and I was looking for a project experimental to help reduce the time to finish the project. 

   

  I am just an old has been pilot but still think I can fly again but it sure is hard to find a good inexpensive project that fits all the new regs.  

   

  Thanks again Gerry   fair winds and blue sky's 

   

  Fred M

  

  

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gerry.vandyk(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:27 pm Post subject: Tailwind-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/21/13

Can't  say I disagree with any of your comments Fred.  As I gather, the drooped  leading edge wouldn't be eligible for LSA, but the Buttercup would make the  speed requirements anyway.  Earl, if you're reading this thread, could you  comment?

  

 Here  in Canada the Advanced Ultralight category is a lot more liberal than LSA in the  US.  There's no speed limits, and a much more practical weight limit (I  think).  The Recreational Pilot's permit is similar to the Light Sport, Day  VFR only, however there's no weight limit.  A Rec pilot in Canada can  fly a C172, he just can't carry more than one passenger.

  

 Another thing you might have a chance to look forward to is the  FAA implementing a class similar to our Owner Maintenance category.  This  is where older out-of-production airplanes can be maintained by the owner pretty  much in the same way as an experimental.  It might open up your choices as  well, though I gather it's only in the earliest stages of  discussion.

  

 Best  of luck and Merry Christmas.

 Gerry

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redswing(at)mcn.org
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: Tailwind-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/21/13

Fred,

 How about a vintage aircraft like some Luscombe or various  Pipers or T-craft or some Ercoupes? You can find them for $15-25K; reasonable  enough IMO.

 Red



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 Gerry:

  

 Thanks for your reply. 

  

 It just seems the LSA price tags are out of sight compared to all the other  available aircraft. I am older and had to sell off my airplanes and still would  like to fly again before life is over. All the LSA stuff is for the very rich .  I am from a time when the cubs and the vagabond were low cost planes for  the grass roots guys but today you can't buy them for much under 25k. I saw a  tailwind project for sale at a reasonable price and remember the old w-8 with  the 85 hp Continental and thought maybe with a climb prop and some mods it could  be made dirty and slower. I just did not know how the stall speed could be  reduced.

  

 Anyway thanks for the reply.

  

 Not sure I like the buttercup's leading edge configuration. It looks  complicated and expensive too. 

  

 Anything that is a project that fits LSA is very expensive compared to  other experimental.

  

 I heard the EAA and the other alphabet groups are trying to convince the  Government to start a new recreational license that  could allow some of  the other certified aircraft to be used with the new license instead of the  current LS pilot license. I am sure if that happens the price of a Cessna 150  will double overnight too. 

 At 72 years old I don't think building from scratch is possible and I was  looking for a project experimental to help reduce the time to finish the  project. 

  

 I am just an old has been pilot but still think I can fly again but it sure  is hard to find a good inexpensive project that fits all the new regs.   

  

 Thanks again Gerry   fair winds and blue sky's 

  

 Fred M

 

 

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 [quote]*       Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive    Today's complete Tailwind-List Digest can also be found in either of the  two Web Links listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest formatted  in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes  and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version  of the Tailwind-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor  such as Notepad or with a web browser.   HTML Version:      fjmelick(at)aol.com (fjmelick(at)aol.com))      2. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/20/13  (Gerry van  Dyk)      3. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/20/13  (George  Turner)       ________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________   Time: 09:00:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/20/13 From: fjmelick(at)aol.com (fjmelick(at)aol.com)   Can the W-10 fit the LSA category if I use an 85 hp continental the same as  the original W-8?  Is the stall speed of the w-10 wing lower than the w-80 wing?  Thanks Fred M   --

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gerry.vandyk(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:06 pm Post subject: Tailwind-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/21/13

HI  again Fred.  I got a note from Earl this afternoon, he confirmed the droop  leading edge isn't allowed for light sport, but the Buttercup does indeed stall  at 44 mph clean.

  

 Cheers

 Gerry

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