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Guy Buchanan

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Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:01 pm Post subject: Motor Mount Paint

Hi all,

     Long time. I just got my 912 motor mount back from powder coating. 

Did you guys who painted / coated your motor mounts, remove the coating 

between the engine and mount? Or did you just torque down over the paint 

/ coating? I will be removing it between the mount and frame, that's 

easy. It's harder between the mount and the engine.



Thanks,



Guy Buchanan

Ramona, CA

Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

Now a glider pilot, too.

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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:16 pm Post subject: Motor Mount Paint

Guy, why would you remove any paint? It's there after all to protect the metal from rusting. 



Andy F



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		   On Apr 13, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi all,

    Long time. I just got my 912 motor mount back from powder coating. Did you guys who painted / coated your motor mounts, remove the coating between the engine and mount? Or did you just torque down over the paint / coating? I will be removing it between the mount and frame, that's easy. It's harder between the mount and the engine.

 

 Thanks,

 

 Guy Buchanan

 Ramona, CA

 Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 Now a glider pilot, too.

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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:15 pm Post subject: Motor Mount Paint

Hello Guy

Not sure why you would want to remove the powder coat from between the mount and the engine as this is where the rubber donuts (Vibration dampening) go. Normally the powder coating is left in place and engine to frame electrical bonding is done via a very flexible heavy gauge cable from the engine directly to a good ground point on the frame and to your electrical ground bus somewhere near your instrument panel..

Hope this helps

Ted Palamarek

Edmonton, Alberta

KF IV/912UL

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		   On Apr 13, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Andy Fultz <andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 Guy, why would you remove any paint? It's there after all to protect the metal from rusting. 

 Andy F

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Hi all,

>   Long time. I just got my 912 motor mount back from powder coating. Did you guys who painted / coated your motor mounts, remove the coating between the engine and mount? Or did you just torque down over the paint / coating? I will be removing it between the mount and frame, that's easy. It's harder between the mount and the engine.

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Guy Buchanan

> Ramona, CA

> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

> Now a glider pilot, too.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: Motor Mount Paint

Guy,

 Do you have the original style mounts for the IV.  If so, I would remove the powder coating at the the cap screws that screw into the engine.  I would think that vibration and the compressive forces might crush the powder coat and affect torque over time.  Then again retorquing every annual would take care of that possibility. 

 Lowell On Apr 13, 2015 7:17 PM, "Temco" <temco(at)telusplanet.net (temco(at)telusplanet.net)> wrote:[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Temco <temco(at)telusplanet.net (temco(at)telusplanet.net)>

 

 Hello Guy

 

 Not sure why you would want to remove the powder coat from between the mount and the engine as this is where the rubber donuts (Vibration dampening) go. Normally the powder coating is left in place and engine to frame electrical bonding is done via a very flexible heavy gauge cable from the engine directly to a good ground point on the frame and to your electrical ground bus somewhere near your instrument panel..

 

 Hope this helps

 

 Ted Palamarek

 Edmonton, Alberta

 KF IV/912UL

 

 > On Apr 13, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Andy Fultz <andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net (andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

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 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andy Fultz <andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net (andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net)>

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 > Guy, why would you remove any paint? It's there after all to protect the metal from rusting.

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 > Andy F

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 >> On Apr 13, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net (gebuchanan(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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 >> Hi all,

 >>   Long time. I just got my 912 motor mount back from powder coating. Did you guys who painted / coated your motor mounts, remove the coating between the engine and mount? Or did you just torque down over the paint / coating? I will be removing it between the mount and frame, that's easy. It's harder between the mount and the engine.

 >>

 >> Thanks,

 >>

 >> Guy Buchanan

 >> Ramona, CA

 >> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

 >> Now a glider pilot, too.

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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:53 pm Post subject: Motor Mount Paint

Lowell you are correct about the cap screws as this is a metal to metal contact.  Since you finished you project we haven’t heard to much from you. How is the machine performing? I’ve been travelling and doing part time contracting so work on my machine is currently stalled and I just can’t seem to find the time to get back building. Probably a good kick in the butt would be appropriate at this time to get me in gear and finish the model IV. I’ve had the engine running and prop adjusted and that all works fine. 

Regards — Ted

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Guy,Do you have the original style mounts for the IV.  If so, I would remove the powder coating at the the cap screws that screw into the engine.  I would think that vibration and the compressive forces might crush the powder coat and affect torque over time.  Then again retorquing every annual would take care of that possibility. LowellOn Apr 13, 2015 7:17 PM, "Temco" <temco(at)telusplanet.net (temco(at)telusplanet.net)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Temco <temco(at)telusplanet.net (temco(at)telusplanet.net)>Hello GuyNot sure why you would want to remove the powder coat from between the mount and the engine as this is where the rubber donuts (Vibration dampening) go. Normally the powder coating is left in place and engine to frame electrical bonding is done via a very flexible heavy gauge cable from the engine directly to a good ground point on the frame and to your electrical ground bus somewhere near your instrument panel..Hope this helpsTed PalamarekEdmonton, AlbertaKF IV/912UL> On Apr 13, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Andy Fultz <andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net (andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andy Fultz <andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net (andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net)>>> Guy, why would you remove any paint? It's there after all to protect the metal from rusting.>> Andy F>> Sent from my iPhone>>> On Apr 13, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net (gebuchanan(at)cox.net)> wrote:>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net (gebuchanan(at)cox.net)>>>>> Hi all,>>   Long time. I just got my 912 motor mount back from powder coating. Did you guys who painted / coated your motor mounts, remove the coating between the engine and mount? Or did you just torque down over the paint / coating? I will be removing it between the mount and frame, that's easy. It's harder between the mount and the engine.>>>> Thanks,>>>> Guy Buchanan>> Ramona, CA>> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded>> Now a glider pilot, too.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>===========ox-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List===========FORUMS -_blank">http://forums.matronics.com===========b Site -          -Matt Dralle, List Admin.target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution===========



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Guy Buchanan

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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:04 pm Post subject: Motor Mount Paint

Well that's the question. I'm not       worried about bonding, I handle that separately, but if I don't       have metal/metal contact will I loose torque over time? Or worse       yet, will I just crack up the powder coat so it flakes off?

       

              Guy Buchanan

       Ramona, CA

       Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

       Now a glider pilot, too.

           

         

       

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         Guy,

         Do you have the original style mounts for the IV.  If so, I         would remove the powder coating at the the cap screws that screw         into the engine.  I would think that vibration and the         compressive forces might crush the powder coat and affect torque         over time.  Then again retorquing every annual would take care         of that possibility. 

         Lowell       

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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:42 am Post subject: Motor Mount Paint

Ted,

 Not much flying.  I flew  to Stan Foster's  place two years ago and had some issues with the airplane.  Nothing  serious, but aggravating.  I had some brake issues.  We  first flew to Bishop on the other side of the Sierras to meet up with three  others who were flying down.  Then we stopped at a little town  just north of Death Valley for fuel and on planned departure, I  found that I had only a left brake.  On inspection, the brake  pad had broken into pieces and fallen out.  Hal (McGuyver)  was with us and as usual jury rigged something that would work until we got  to Arizona.  Then the radio gave out.  Fixing the brake was  the easy thing, the radio was a challenge.  I exchanged it for a  new one and the mike sensitivity was so high that all anyone could hear  when I hit the transmit button was the sound of rushing wind.  I finally  discovered it wasn't the radio but during a service to the headset to  replace disintegrating wire, the headset folks had also replaced the  microphone with what I would consider a piece of junk - way too  sensitive.  I paid the big bucks for a Sennheiser set and they work  fine.  Started once again for Stan Foster's place three weeks ago  and after the five hour leg to Big Bear, found that the right brake locked  up.  I thought it was the parking brake, but not so sure now.  I  decided I didn't want to be at Thunder Ridge with more airplane issues, so  turned around and came home.

 The airplane flies fine.  I put ten hours on  it on the trip three weeks ago and that is pretty much the total since  January of 2014.  I think the headset will solve most of the issues  with my not flying.  There is talk of a trip to Oshkosh  this Summer.  As of now, it is in the plans, but the brake issues  have to be solved.

 Lowell 

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Lowell you are correct about the cap screws as this is a metal to  metal contact.  Since you finished you project we haven’t heard to much  from you. How is the machine performing? I’ve been travelling and doing part  time contracting so work on my machine is currently stalled and I just can’t  seem to find the time to get back building. Probably a good kick in the butt  would be appropriate at this time to get me in gear and finish the model IV.  I’ve had the engine running and prop adjusted and that all works fine.   

 Regards — Ted

  [quote]   On Apr 13, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt3(at)gmail.com (lcfitt3(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Guy,

Do you have the original style mounts for the IV.  If    so, I would remove the powder coating at the the cap screws that screw into    the engine.  I would think that vibration and the compressive forces    might crush the powder coat and affect torque over time.  Then again    retorquing every annual would take care of that possibility. 

Lowell   On    Apr 13, 2015 7:17 PM, "Temco" <temco(at)telusplanet.net (temco(at)telusplanet.net)> wrote:    	  Quote: 	
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Hello      Guy

Not sure why you would want to remove the powder coat from      between the mount and the engine as this is where the rubber donuts      (Vibration dampening) go. Normally the powder coating is left in place and      engine to frame electrical bonding is done via a very flexible heavy gauge      cable from the engine directly to a good ground point on the frame and to      your electrical ground bus somewhere near your instrument      panel..

Hope this helps

Ted Palamarek

Edmonton,      Alberta

KF IV/912UL

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		   On Apr 13, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Andy Fultz      <andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net (andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net)>      wrote:

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Andy Fultz      <andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net (andynfultz(at)bellsouth.net)>

      Guy, why would you remove any paint? It's there after all to protect the      metal from rusting.

 Andy F

 Sent from my      iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net (gebuchanan(at)cox.net)>      wrote:

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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy      Buchanan <gebuchanan(at)cox.net (gebuchanan(at)cox.net)>

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>      Hi all,

>   Long time. I just got my 912 motor mount      back from powder coating. Did you guys who painted / coated your motor      mounts, remove the coating between the engine and mount? Or did you just      torque down over the paint / coating? I will be removing it between the      mount and frame, that's easy. It's harder between the mount and the      engine.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Guy      Buchanan

> Ramona, CA

> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp      3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

> Now a glider pilot,      too.

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