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Dave Saylor
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We recently did some avionics upgrades to add ADS-B functions and a few other bells and whistles.
I installed a Garmin GTX345 and a Flightstream 210. The shop I bought it from helped me configure the new goodies once it was fired up.
It works very well. We have ADS-B traffic and weather displayed on a 530. The transponder and Flightstream each bluetooth to Foreflight so we have the ADS-B products there as well.
One cool thing the Flightstream does is to transfer the flight plan back and forth--change it on the 530 or the iPad and it's just a few clicks to update the other. It's even relatively intuitive.
The wiring was a pain but now that it's done I'm glad we did the upgrade.
--Dave
Oh and I have a 327 for sale...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:00 am Post subject: Added ADS-B |
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What was the total cost of this upgrade?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Quote: | On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:30 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com> wrote:
We recently did some avionics upgrades to add ADS-B functions and a few other bells and whistles.
I installed a Garmin GTX345 and a Flightstream 210. The shop I bought it from helped me configure the new goodies once it was fired up.
It works very well. We have ADS-B traffic and weather displayed on a 530. The transponder and Flightstream each bluetooth to Foreflight so we have the ADS-B products there as well.
One cool thing the Flightstream does is to transfer the flight plan back and forth--change it on the 530 or the iPad and it's just a few clicks to update the other. It's even relatively intuitive.
The wiring was a pain but now that it's done I'm glad we did the upgrade.
--Dave
Oh and I have a 327 for sale...
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Dave Saylor
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:18 am Post subject: Added ADS-B |
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About $5500 for the hardware (incl CA sales tax). I had about 40 hours in labor. I had to mount a new transponder can and run a few wires to the back of the 530. That was *almost* the worst part.
The worst part was I was anxious to test the whole thing out, so I went flying and painted myself into the ADS-B landscape a week before the rebate was finalized. That made me ineligible. Doh!
--Dave
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
What was the total cost of this upgrade?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
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> On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:30 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> We recently did some avionics upgrades to add ADS-B functions and a few other bells and whistles.
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> I installed a Garmin GTX345 and a Flightstream 210. The shop I bought it from helped me configure the new goodies once it was fired up.
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> It works very well. We have ADS-B traffic and weather displayed on a 530. The transponder and Flightstream each bluetooth to Foreflight so we have the ADS-B products there as well.
>
> One cool thing the Flightstream does is to transfer the flight plan back and forth--change it on the 530 or the iPad and it's just a few clicks to update the other. It's even relatively intuitive.
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> The wiring was a pain but now that it's done I'm glad we did the upgrade.
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> --Dave
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> Oh and I have a 327 for sale...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:12 am Post subject: Added ADS-B |
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FWIW I went with the NAVWORX ADS600-EXP, total cost of $1471 including the wiring harness. To be honest I have very mixed feelings about their customer service, more recently was much better. Installation took me about five hours connecting to the GRT EFIS and Garmin 327.
My timing was valid for the FAA rebate, but the experimental version is not eligible at all, only genuine TSOd models count.
I just had my first cross country flight with it, and the traffic display on my iPad was dead on. I switched to WingX pro because ForeFlight only works with the Garman products.
Marcus
On Oct 19, 2016, at 9:18 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | About $5500 for the hardware (incl CA sales tax). I had about 40 hours in labor. I had to mount a new transponder can and run a few wires to the back of the 530. That was *almost* the worst part.
The worst part was I was anxious to test the whole thing out, so I went flying and painted myself into the ADS-B landscape a week before the rebate was finalized. That made me ineligible. Doh!
--Dave
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
What was the total cost of this upgrade?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:30 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> We recently did some avionics upgrades to add ADS-B functions and a few other bells and whistles.
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> I installed a Garmin GTX345 and a Flightstream 210. The shop I bought it from helped me configure the new goodies once it was fired up.
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> It works very well. We have ADS-B traffic and weather displayed on a 530. The transponder and Flightstream each bluetooth to Foreflight so we have the ADS-B products there as well.
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> One cool thing the Flightstream does is to transfer the flight plan back and forth--change it on the 530 or the iPad and it's just a few clicks to update the other. It's even relatively intuitive.
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> The wiring was a pain but now that it's done I'm glad we did the upgrade.
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> --Dave
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> Oh and I have a 327 for sale...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: Added ADS-B |
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Coop,
Log into the ap with your iPad and set the port to 4000 and it will work with ForeFlight.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
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On Oct 19, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com (cooprv7(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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FWIW I went with the NAVWORX ADS600-EXP, total cost of $1471 including the wiring harness. To be honest I have very mixed feelings about their customer service, more recently was much better. Installation took me about five hours connecting to the GRT EFIS and Garmin 327.
My timing was valid for the FAA rebate, but the experimental version is not eligible at all, only genuine TSOd models count.
I just had my first cross country flight with it, and the traffic display on my iPad was dead on. I switched to WingX pro because ForeFlight only works with the Garman products.
Marcus
On Oct 19, 2016, at 9:18 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | About $5500 for the hardware (incl CA sales tax). I had about 40 hours in labor. I had to mount a new transponder can and run a few wires to the back of the 530. That was *almost* the worst part.
The worst part was I was anxious to test the whole thing out, so I went flying and painted myself into the ADS-B landscape a week before the rebate was finalized. That made me ineligible. Doh!
--Dave
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
What was the total cost of this upgrade?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:30 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> We recently did some avionics upgrades to add ADS-B functions and a few other bells and whistles.
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> I installed a Garmin GTX345 and a Flightstream 210. The shop I bought it from helped me configure the new goodies once it was fired up.
>
> It works very well. We have ADS-B traffic and weather displayed on a 530. The transponder and Flightstream each bluetooth to Foreflight so we have the ADS-B products there as well.
>
> One cool thing the Flightstream does is to transfer the flight plan back and forth--change it on the 530 or the iPad and it's just a few clicks to update the other. It's even relatively intuitive.
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> The wiring was a pain but now that it's done I'm glad we did the upgrade.
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> --Dave
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> Oh and I have a 327 for sale...
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Thanks! I'll give it a try when it's time to renew.
Do not archive
On Oct 19, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Coop,
Log into the ap with your iPad and set the port to 4000 and it will work with ForeFlight.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 19, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com (cooprv7(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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FWIW I went with the NAVWORX ADS600-EXP, total cost of $1471 including the wiring harness. To be honest I have very mixed feelings about their customer service, more recently was much better. Installation took me about five hours connecting to the GRT EFIS and Garmin 327.
My timing was valid for the FAA rebate, but the experimental version is not eligible at all, only genuine TSOd models count.
I just had my first cross country flight with it, and the traffic display on my iPad was dead on. I switched to WingX pro because ForeFlight only works with the Garman products.
Marcus
On Oct 19, 2016, at 9:18 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | About $5500 for the hardware (incl CA sales tax). I had about 40 hours in labor. I had to mount a new transponder can and run a few wires to the back of the 530. That was *almost* the worst part.
The worst part was I was anxious to test the whole thing out, so I went flying and painted myself into the ADS-B landscape a week before the rebate was finalized. That made me ineligible. Doh!
--Dave
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
What was the total cost of this upgrade?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:30 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> We recently did some avionics upgrades to add ADS-B functions and a few other bells and whistles.
>
> I installed a Garmin GTX345 and a Flightstream 210. The shop I bought it from helped me configure the new goodies once it was fired up.
>
> It works very well. We have ADS-B traffic and weather displayed on a 530. The transponder and Flightstream each bluetooth to Foreflight so we have the ADS-B products there as well.
>
> One cool thing the Flightstream does is to transfer the flight plan back and forth--change it on the 530 or the iPad and it's just a few clicks to update the other. It's even relatively intuitive.
>
> The wiring was a pain but now that it's done I'm glad we did the upgrade.
>
> --Dave
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> Oh and I have a 327 for sale...
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Added ADS-B |
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"Thanks! I'll give it a try when it's time to renew. "
Of course, by then you may prefer WingX!
Seriously, they are both good programs. It just comes down to personal likes/dislikes. I chose WingX even when I had to pay for it.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:08 pm Post subject: Added ADS-B |
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Regarding that rebate, I read some info that was in one of the
weekly emails last week.
Turns out that the $500 rebate is taxable, and there are all
sorts of strings attached...including a fairly specific
flight test that you have to do, where you fly a specific
flight profile in specific type of airspace. The tax
you pay on the rebate cuts its value quite a bit...but then
if you're forced to fly that specific flight profile for
testing, that will cost you time and fuel as well.
So the value of the rebate is at best, half of the $500
that they give you. For that little bit of money I really
don't think the hassle of even dealing with the FAA is worth
it. Your cost of $1471 wasn't too bad. I paid more by
being an early adopter.
The guts of your -EXP model aren't any different than the
TSO'd model either, so you'll be in good shape.
Oh, and regarding WingX....
I agree with Bob. I find it great to use in the cockpit.
Yes, I do like Foreflight for filing the plans and preflight
weather planning, but after that I'm very happy with WingX.
And just because I'm a bit nuts, I have:
A Foreflight Subscription
A 3-year WingX subscription
1 lifetime FlyQ subscription
An 18-moth Aerovie subscription
One thing people don't talk about much is the subscription
model. I have 2 pilots now and soon enough to be 3 in my
family. Foreflight limits you to 1 iphone, 1 ipad, and 1
backup ipad. This sucks totally...I can't even have
my own wife and I both have foreflight on our iphone. Yes,
they would charge me another $75-100 for a subscription for
her, and then for my Daughter too. It's a royal screwjob
for families like me.
With WingX, FlyQ, and Aerovie, my subscription covers
all of the devices on my family's iTunes account, so we
can all have the apps. FlyQ doesn't have an EFB for the
iphone but they have a mush less nice companion app.
Aerovie and WingX both work on both platforms, including
with my iLevil 3 AW AHRS.
Aerovie is my hopeful app for the future for preflight weather
briefing. It has some weather planning features that the
others don't have, including skewTlog charts and
overlay prog charts. Seems to be very nice. If they refine
the app a bit, I won't subscribe to foreflight again
at all.
But of all of those, right now, WingX would be the hardest
for me to let go of.
Tim
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| Quote: | FWIW I went with the NAVWORX ADS600-EXP, total cost of $1471 including
the wiring harness. To be honest I have very mixed feelings about their
customer service, more recently was much better. Installation took me
about five hours connecting to the GRT EFIS and Garmin 327.
My timing was valid for the FAA rebate, but the experimental version is
not eligible at all, only genuine TSOd models count.
I just had my first cross country flight with it, and the traffic
display on my iPad was dead on. I switched to WingX pro because
ForeFlight only works with the Garman products.
Marcus
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:27 pm Post subject: Added ADS-B |
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You can't get a better overall summary than that, but keep in mind that not everybody needs as many devices as Tim's family. I use the Foreflight Logbook now since LogTen went to subscription-based. All of my eggs are in the Foreflight basket, and I am very happy with it all around for preflight and inflight.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
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Regarding that rebate, I read some info that was in one of the
weekly emails last week.
Turns out that the $500 rebate is taxable, and there are all
sorts of strings attached...including a fairly specific
flight test that you have to do, where you fly a specific
flight profile in specific type of airspace. The tax
you pay on the rebate cuts its value quite a bit...but then
if you're forced to fly that specific flight profile for
testing, that will cost you time and fuel as well.
So the value of the rebate is at best, half of the $500
that they give you. For that little bit of money I really
don't think the hassle of even dealing with the FAA is worth
it. Your cost of $1471 wasn't too bad. I paid more by
being an early adopter.
The guts of your -EXP model aren't any different than the
TSO'd model either, so you'll be in good shape.
Oh, and regarding WingX....
I agree with Bob. I find it great to use in the cockpit.
Yes, I do like Foreflight for filing the plans and preflight
weather planning, but after that I'm very happy with WingX.
And just because I'm a bit nuts, I have:
A Foreflight Subscription
A 3-year WingX subscription
1 lifetime FlyQ subscription
An 18-moth Aerovie subscription
One thing people don't talk about much is the subscription
model. I have 2 pilots now and soon enough to be 3 in my
family. Foreflight limits you to 1 iphone, 1 ipad, and 1
backup ipad. This sucks totally...I can't even have
my own wife and I both have foreflight on our iphone. Yes,
they would charge me another $75-100 for a subscription for
her, and then for my Daughter too. It's a royal screwjob
for families like me.
With WingX, FlyQ, and Aerovie, my subscription covers
all of the devices on my family's iTunes account, so we
can all have the apps. FlyQ doesn't have an EFB for the
iphone but they have a mush less nice companion app.
Aerovie and WingX both work on both platforms, including
with my iLevil 3 AW AHRS.
Aerovie is my hopeful app for the future for preflight weather
briefing. It has some weather planning features that the
others don't have, including skewTlog charts and
overlay prog charts. Seems to be very nice. If they refine
the app a bit, I won't subscribe to foreflight again
at all.
But of all of those, right now, WingX would be the hardest
for me to let go of.
Tim
> On 10/19/2016 12:12 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> FWIW I went with the NAVWORX ADS600-EXP, total cost of $1471 including
> the wiring harness. To be honest I have very mixed feelings about their
> customer service, more recently was much better. Installation took me
> about five hours connecting to the GRT EFIS and Garmin 327.
> My timing was valid for the FAA rebate, but the experimental version is
> not eligible at all, only genuine TSOd models count.
> I just had my first cross country flight with it, and the traffic
> display on my iPad was dead on. I switched to WingX pro because
> ForeFlight only works with the Garman products.
>
> Marcus
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: my $1100 ADSB-out plan |
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So just yesterday I started paying for my $1100 ADSB plan. Of course, I didn't count any equipment I already own!! I will report in due time on the outcome.
Equipment already owned: GRT HX, Garmin 420W, Garmin GTX-327 transponder, Skyradar D2 ADSB in.
Upgrades:
GRT HX software - free
Garmin 420W firmware - $100
Trig TT22 remote mode S-ES transponder with RS232to 422 adaptor - $2200
Gains:
$500 from FAA
sell 327 for about $700.
Net cost: $1100.
To be honest I lucked into the FAA rebate. I would have done this earlier but wanted to wait until my transponder certification was nearly due anyway, to avoid that extra cost.
Yes, I will need to go fly the FAA's 'profile', and it appears that must be done in ADSB required airspace, so that means above 10,000' for me. But, in my acounting scheme, flying is free!
As to the tax status of the $500, I believe this is a cya from the FAA. Certainly Ford gives out tax free rebates all the time, although not from public funds. Besides, I'm not in a high enough tax bracket to worry about it. And-part of my strangeness-I derive some pleasure arguing with the IRS.
PS I only paid $500 for the factory refurbished Skyradar so my total -in and -out cost should come in around $1600.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:08 pm Post subject: Added ADS-B |
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I'm getting old, so bear with me .....
I thought there were a limited number of rebates and that they were
going to pick the winners from the pool of applicants. I'm sure y'all
will let me know if I'm wrong ..... 
Linn
On 10/19/2016 4:45 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
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So just yesterday I started paying for my $1100 ADSB plan. Of course, I didn't count any equipment I already own!! I will report in due time on the outcome.
Equipment already owned: GRT HX, Garmin 420W, Garmin GTX-327 transponder, Skyradar D2 ADSB in.
Upgrades:
GRT HX software - free
Garmin 420W firmware - $100
Trig TT22 remote mode S-ES transponder with RS232to 422 adaptor - $2200
Gains:
$500 from FAA
sell 327 for about $700.
Net cost: $1100.
To be honest I lucked into the FAA rebate. I would have done this earlier but wanted to wait until my transponder certification was nearly due anyway, to avoid that extra cost.
Yes, I will need to go fly the FAA's 'profile', and it appears that must be done in ADSB required airspace, so that means above 10,000' for me. But, in my acounting scheme, flying is free!
As to the tax status of the $500, I believe this is a cya from the FAA. Certainly Ford gives out tax free rebates all the time, although not from public funds. Besides, I'm not in a high enough tax bracket to worry about it. And-part of my strangeness-I derive some pleasure arguing with the IRS.
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Bob Turner
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Location: Castro Valley, CA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Added ADS-B |
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| flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com wrote: | I'm getting old, so bear with me .....
I thought there were a limited number of rebates and that they were
going to pick the winners from the pool of applicants. I'm sure y'all
will let me know if I'm wrong .....
Linn
On 10/19/2016 4:45 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
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So
GRT HX software - free
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There is no lottery. The money goes to the first people to apply. Rules:
You must not already have purchased the equipment.
You apply for the rebate first. The FAA gives you a number. Then you buy, install, and flight test the equipment within a specified period of time, not to exceed 3 months, I think. The equipment you buy has to be on the 'approved' list (non-TSO equipment is excluded). If you pass the test within the specified time period, then you finish filling out the FAA paperwork, and they should send you a check.
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: my $1100 ADSB-out plan |
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| Bob Turner wrote: | So just yesterday I started paying for my $1100 ADSB plan. Of course, I didn't count any equipment I already own!! I will report in due time on the outcome.
Equipment already owned: GRT HX, Garmin 420W, Garmin GTX-327 transponder, Skyradar D2 ADSB in.
Upgrades:
GRT HX software - free
Garmin 420W firmware - $100
Trig TT22 remote mode S-ES transponder with RS232to 422 adaptor - $2200
Gains:
$500 from FAA
sell 327 for about $700.
Net cost: $1100.
To be honest I lucked into the FAA rebate. I would have done this earlier but wanted to wait until my transponder certification was nearly due anyway, to avoid that extra cost.
Yes, I will need to go fly the FAA's 'profile', and it appears that must be done in ADSB required airspace, so that means above 10,000' for me. But, in my acounting scheme, flying is free!
As to the tax status of the $500, I believe this is a cya from the FAA. Certainly Ford gives out tax free rebates all the time, although not from public funds. Besides, I'm not in a high enough tax bracket to worry about it. And-part of my strangeness-I derive some pleasure arguing with the IRS.
PS I only paid $500 for the factory refurbished Skyradar so my total -in and -out cost should come in around $1600. |
Final result: $1180. 420w software was $80 (cash price), I only got $600 for the 327.
I had to put in new beta version HX software (free) to get the unit to promptly switch to ground mode on landing, to pass the FAA test. I got the FAA's $500 check today.
Tim: I have decided the FAA's $500 is 'hobby income'. My hobby losses are a lot more than that, so the $500 won't get taxed.
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