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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Hi Kolbers,

One of the (many) options I'm looking at for tires is to start off with the "usual suspects" (Carlisle Turf Glide 8.00 x 6) for the initial flights and familiarization... and then go to the larger "bush" tires after I have some experience in the airplane.

The Carlisle tires are less expensive, so if I tear them up or puncture them while I'm learning how a Kolb flies it will set me back less money.

But I cannot figure out what inner tube to use with these tires, and the local tire shop tells me they can get the tires but not the matching Carlisle inner tubes.

Wal Mart's website shows a whole lot of inner tubes, but I can't seem to find the one for 8.00 x 6 tires.

Even Carlisle's website does not appear to list an 8.00 x 6 inner tube.

If I do start off with the Turf Glide tire, which make and model inner tube is the best for it?

Bill Berle
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Bill, have you considered going tubeless. A little less weight and a lot less hassle. Just a suggestion.
George H.
Firestar 1, #FS100
14GDH
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!

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On May 3, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



Hi Kolbers,

One of the (many) options I'm looking at for tires is to start off with the "usual suspects" (Carlisle Turf Glide 8.00 x 6) for the initial flights and familiarization... and then go to the larger "bush" tires after I have some experience in the airplane.

The Carlisle tires are less expensive, so if I tear them up or puncture them while I'm learning how a Kolb flies it will set me back less money.

But I cannot figure out what inner tube to use with these tires, and the local tire shop tells me they can get the tires but not the matching Carlisle inner tubes.

Wal Mart's website shows a whole lot of inner tubes, but I can't seem to find the one for 8.00 x 6 tires.

Even Carlisle's website does not appear to list an 8.00 x 6 inner tube.

If I do start off with the Turf Glide tire, which make and model inner tube is the best for it?

Bill Berle
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www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities






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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 2:30 pm    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Of all the things that you might break or ruin learning to fly a Kolb,
tires are the last things that will suffer. I still have the original
tires that came with my plane. Nothing wrong with them other than they
did not fit my intended plans for the plane although I used them for
at least ten years. The rims are a different story however.

If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the
800X6 would be a good choice. Its 19 inches tall with a good tread. I
just paid $75 a tube from McCreary for these tundra's.

While I am at it, I am a bit disappointed by these tundra tires. I
have been trying to balance them and one of them required about 6-7 oz
of weight to balance, I presume because its out of round.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 10:25 pm    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

I had not thought of tubeless, only because I want to be able to change a tube out in the field if it becomes necessary. This requires a split rim, which does not allow tubeless mounting.

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On Wed, 5/3/17, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 2:47 PM


Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>

Bill, have you considered going
tubeless. A little less weight and a lot less hassle. Just a
suggestion.
George H.
Firestar 1, #FS100
14GDH
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!

> On May 3, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Bill
Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted
by: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> One of the (many) options I'm
looking at for tires is to start off with the "usual
suspects" (Carlisle Turf Glide 8.00 x 6) for the initial
flights and familiarization... and then go to the larger
"bush" tires after I have some experience in the airplane.
>
> The Carlisle tires are less
expensive, so if I tear them up or puncture them while I'm
learning how a Kolb flies it will set me back less money.
>
> But I cannot figure out what inner
tube to use with these tires, and the local tire shop tells
me they can get the tires but not the matching Carlisle
inner tubes.
>
> Wal Mart's website shows a whole
lot of inner tubes, but I can't seem to find the one for
8.00 x 6 tires.
>
> Even Carlisle's website does not
appear to list an 8.00 x 6 inner tube.
>
> If I do start off with the Turf
Glide tire, which make and model inner tube is the best for
it?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com  -
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      - winning proposals for non-profit and
for-profit entities
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>
>
>

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 4:47 am    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Okay, it was just a suggestion. I also run split rims. I think mine are made by Hager and they have an o-ring that seals around split on the inside of the wheel which allow you to run tubeless tires. I also have run tubeless on Matco aluminum wheels. Here's a picture of my current setup.

George H.
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gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Mesick, Michigan

Have a great day!

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I had not thought of tubeless, only because I want to be able to change a tube out in the field if it becomes necessary. This requires a split rim, which does not allow tubeless mounting.

Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

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On Wed, 5/3/17, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 2:47 PM


Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>

Bill, have you considered going
tubeless. A little less weight and a lot less hassle. Just a
suggestion.
George H.
Firestar 1, #FS100
14GDH
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!

> On May 3, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Bill
Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted
by: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> One of the (many) options I'm
looking at for tires is to start off with the "usual
suspects" (Carlisle Turf Glide 8.00 x 6) for the initial
flights and familiarization... and then go to the larger
"bush" tires after I have some experience in the airplane.
>
> The Carlisle tires are less
expensive, so if I tear them up or puncture them while I'm
learning how a Kolb flies it will set me back less money.
>
> But I cannot figure out what inner
tube to use with these tires, and the local tire shop tells
me they can get the tires but not the matching Carlisle
inner tubes.
>
> Wal Mart's website shows a whole
lot of inner tubes, but I can't seem to find the one for
8.00 x 6 tires.
>
> Even Carlisle's website does not
appear to list an 8.00 x 6 inner tube.
>
> If I do start off with the Turf
Glide tire, which make and model inner tube is the best for
it?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com -
safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net
- winning proposals for non-profit and
for-profit entities
>
>
>
>

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 4:51 am    Post subject: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

lcottrell wrote:
Of all the things that you might break or ruin learning to fly a Kolb,
tires are the last things that will suffer. I still have the original
tires that came with my plane.

Larry


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 5:03 am    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

The old matco was split rim and has a tubeless option.     The new style matco rims don't have a temp place for the oring while bolting together the halves.   You may have to bolt it together, then stretch the oring over a half.   But I don't see a reason it won't work.
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On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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" If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the 800X6 would be a good choice.

CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in all my life! Smile


My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern California we of course don't have much of the swampy and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to land in a STOL type ultralight.

My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels will work there. It's the destinations and places where there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece Smile


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:05 am    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Bill/All
I have the Matco split wheels that came with the O ring. In practice I wasn't able to keep air in the in the tires in tube less mode so I put tubes in the tires. I not saying tubes are the answer as I have had to replace tubes a few times. One time at airventure I landed with a totally flat tire. John W almost landed on top of me because I stopped so quick. The repair shop at airventure had a bead breaker that is absolutely mandatory in getting the tire off the bead on my Matco wheels.
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> "  If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the  800X6 would be a good choice.
>
CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in all my life! Smile

My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern California we of course don't have much of the swampy and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to land in a STOL type ultralight.

My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels will work there. It's the destinations and places where there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Thanks Rick, that is exactly what I was afraid of... having to carry a bead breaker in the back of a Firestar to fix a tire Smile

I changed the tire on my 172 a week ago with nothing more than jumping on the tire to get the bead loose.

Granted that when powered by gravity my corpulent a** generates quite a bit more force than an FAA 170 pound pilot.

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Subject: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Thursday, May 4, 2017, 11:59 AM

Bill/All
I have the Matco split wheels that
came with the O ring. In practice I wasn't able to keep
air in the in the tires in tube less mode so I put tubes in
the tires. I not saying tubes are the answer as I have had
to replace tubes a few times. One time at airventure I
landed with a totally flat tire. John W almost landed on top
of me because I stopped so quick. The repair shop at
airventure had a bead breaker that is absolutely mandatory
in getting the tire off the bead on my Matco
wheels.
Rick NeilsenRedrive VW Powered
MKIIIC
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> "  If your primary use as I suspect will be on
civilized runways the  800X6 would be a good choice.

>

CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in
all my life! Smile



My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from
the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern
California we of course don't have much of the swampy
and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But
I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable
(and safe) within the limitations of this part of the
country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even
within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen
hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to
land in a STOL type ultralight.



My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the
tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels
will work there. It's the destinations and places where
there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 12:49 pm    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

OK, then in that case there is no need to spend your money on anything
other than what you want to end up with. I wouldn't worry about
tearing up tires. The plane doesn't weigh enough to cause much wear on
what ever tires you decide on. I have spent much more on gear legs
than tires over my 20 year flying career.

Larry

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On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> " If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the 800X6 would be a good choice.
>
CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in all my life! Smile

My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern California we of course don't have much of the swampy and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to land in a STOL type ultralight.

My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels will work there. It's the destinations and places where there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece Smile


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 12:54 pm    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

For what its worth, I carry a can of "spare tire" right next to the
Gorrilla tape, and tie downs. Better to have a tire that is out of
balance than a flat one. A bicycle pump, ( the long slim ones that
they used to put on 10 speed bikes) is not a bad back country
companion as well.
Larry

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Thanks Rick, that is exactly what I was afraid of... having to carry a bead breaker in the back of a Firestar to fix a tire Smile

I changed the tire on my 172 a week ago with nothing more than jumping on the tire to get the bead loose.

Granted that when powered by gravity my corpulent a** generates quite a bit more force than an FAA 170 pound pilot.

Bill Berle
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Subject: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Thursday, May 4, 2017, 11:59 AM

Bill/All
I have the Matco split wheels that
came with the O ring. In practice I wasn't able to keep
air in the in the tires in tube less mode so I put tubes in
the tires. I not saying tubes are the answer as I have had
to replace tubes a few times. One time at airventure I
landed with a totally flat tire. John W almost landed on top
of me because I stopped so quick. The repair shop at
airventure had a bead breaker that is absolutely mandatory
in getting the tire off the bead on my Matco
wheels.
Rick NeilsenRedrive VW Powered
MKIIIC
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12:52 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>

On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry
Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
wrote:

> " If your primary use as I suspect will be on
civilized runways the 800X6 would be a good choice.

>

CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in
all my life! Smile

My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from
the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern
California we of course don't have much of the swampy
and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But
I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable
(and safe) within the limitations of this part of the
country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even
within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen
hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to
land in a STOL type ultralight.

My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the
tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels
will work there. It's the destinations and places where
there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to
visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece Smile

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

Boyd have you figured out how much it will cost to ship those tires? I am very grateful to you for your kind offer.

I fully understand that you are providing me with a used, and possibly unusable set of tires, to use at my sole risk, and without any guarantee they will work safely. I further understand that the use of these tires, and the safety of the aircraft with these tires installed, is completely at my risk and is completely my sole responsibility. I understand that the tires did not work for your aircraft, that they may not work for my aircraft, and that I am responsible for determining if, how, and when these tires can or cannot be safely used on my aircraft.

Bill Berle
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On Thu, 5/4/17, B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes
To: "Kolb List" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Thursday, May 4, 2017, 6:03 AM

The old matco was split
rim and has a tubeless option.     The new style matco
rims don't have a temp place for the oring while bolting
together the halves.   You may have to bolt it together,
then stretch the oring over a half.   But I don't see
a reason it won't work.

Boyd Young


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes Reply with quote

I am starting to think this tire thing is a jinx!

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