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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

though not officially a pietenpol i have decided to start on an ultra-piet ribstock ordered and on the way now to build a jig and get the clock started on the build.

are there any other ragwing builders/owners here


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

Not building one, but I do have a set of plans! Very nice airplane, but when I studied the plans it seemed like just as much work to build one as to build a full-size Air Camper.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

yes i have the real pietenpol plans as well, and the plans to the MiniMax.

I think you are right on it not being much more work to build the real piet, but I am on a budget and the ultra-piet is easier on my budget, mostly since i have an engine available to me for the ragwing.

a lot of the building is similar in both the pietenpol and ultra-piet. I would love to hear from someone who has flown both. I do have a little time in a real Pietenpol.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

If I remember correctly, Grant MacLaren has built and flown both an Air Camper and an UltraPiet. However, he seems to have faded from the Piet scene years ago.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

Grant is on Facebook...

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If I remember correctly, Grant MacLaren has built and flown both an Air Camper and an UltraPiet. However, he seems to have faded from the Piet scene years ago.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

little report on how I am doing, I have the rib jig built and awaiting the arrival of the 1/4 by 1/4 sticks it takes to built the ribs. I have one half of the fuselage in the jig and have started glueing.

I'm looking forward to making my first rib on Monday.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

cdlwingnut-

I know that the Ragwing was designed around a 28-35 HP engine, but what do you have in mind to power yours with? The Valley Engineering "Big Twin" is way too heavy and too much power. The two-strokes will work, but are you thinking of a two-stroke or something like the 1/2 VW? And by the way, where are you located?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

The engine I have is a rotax 503, with is at the upper limit of the 28-48hp but there are a couple of little piets flying with this engine already.

oh and i am located in Iowa so a trip to Brodhead may be in the summer plans this year. though by ground trasportation or a borrowed airplane.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

little bit of progress on my ultra-piet. one side of the fuselage is glued and ready for plywood cover, and two ribs built. 20 more ribs to go

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

another update, both sides of the fuselage ready for plywood, and 7 ribs together, slow but steady

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:38 am    Post subject: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

I would recommend that you wait to put the plywood sides on.  There is a lot of work to be done in there and the plywood sides would make things more difficult to get to.  
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

A picture of my ribs and fuselage side

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

Just an update, I'm still working on the ultra-piet
so far both sides of the fuselage are done, all 22 ribs are done, have the fin and rudder built, and now working on the horizontal stab.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

There are 31 ribs in my wing.  How are you getting by with 22?  Chuck
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

my plane is a ragwing ultra-piet not a full fledged pietenpol, plans have 10 ribs in each wing plus 2 center ribs.

http://rogermann.org/ragwing/designs/rw1/


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

found these at northern tool and ordered up a pair to give them a try,

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200331764_200331764


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

Wingnut- those look like a good place to start. I see one of the reviewers on the Northern Tool site used them on his 1903 Oldsmobile runabout project, but most of the other reviews are for things like garden carts and tool carts. The thing to watch for is going to be side loading them, such as landing on asphalt with some side drift or crabbing going on. The gross weight of the Ultra-Piet is listed as 550 lbs, so sitting on a pair of the Northern Tool 300 lb rated wheels sounds OK, but maybe marginal if you drop it in hard. If you have a choice in the matter, you should operate the airplane off of grass till you see how it's going to handle on these wheels. Grass and sod are much more forgiving than hard surface.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

I have my tail feathers almost done and am thinking i should varnish them now so they are protected while i continue building, what varnish should i use will the minwax from menards work or is there a brand that works the best?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

Use Minwax Helmsman  Spar Urethane. It gives good UV protection.

That is what I use.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet Reply with quote

I hope the MinWax varnish works OK... it's what I used on the wood repairs that I've done on my Piet over the years. However, I'm not an experienced woodworker and there are people on this list with far more experience with varnish and finishes. I believe you'll want to leave the varnish off of wood surfaces that you'll be adhering fabric to, although some of the covering materials may be compatible with some of the varnishes. I would leave the wood bare where fabric gets glued on if it were me.

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