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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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 Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:43 am Post subject: Cambridge cowboy |
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This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 miles north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and battling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added clearance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were surprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to descend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yards in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off in the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and white and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever.
If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you might like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre!
Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Cambridge cowboy |
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One of the reasons I (and my passenger) wear a chute. 2800ft would be about a hight having a pretty good chance to bail out (BTW might well be, that the Extra pilot did wear one as well, since it's an aerobatic airplane).
(at)David - good that you still have the possibility to post this experience here. Agree to your judgement of this maneuvre.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:13 am Post subject: Cambridge cowboy |
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The spitting image! David
On 2017-06-14 10:13, flyingphil2 wrote:
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: Cambridge cowboy |
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On 2017-06-14, at 09:38, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk wrote:
| Quote: | we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox
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David - you don’t need the reg to file an airprox; this sounds to me very worthwhile to report formally. I’d like to have this guy stopped before I bump into him!
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ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:16 am Post subject: Cambridge cowboy |
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Hi!
David, you are probably too late to have the Radar Services save the tapes. But if you had reported it whilst air borne they would have it recorded. The JCB helicopter nearly took me out between Kettering and Northampton once I didn’t report it at once but commenced a complaint with JCB direct, they denied having a flight at that time. But on pressure their manager gave way and admitted the flight was a training flight between Ellestree and Utoxeter with the damn pilot “under the hood” his lookout was on the wrong side to me. I had been receiving a Radar service from Birmingham or East Midlands but he was under observation from Coventry. But no bugger was going to tell me I didn’t know what a Yellow JCB copter looked like especially when in that split second all I could see out the screen forward was yellow Copter.
You should have done an immediate airborne report but I guess you weren’t receiving a service?
These tossers want taking to task . I would instigate an investigation .......nothing to stop you ......make them squirm like the Hunter Pilot at Shorham.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk
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Subject: Cambridge cowboy
This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 miles north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and battling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added clearance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were surprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to descend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yards in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off in the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and white and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever.
If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you might like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre!
Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:50 am Post subject: Cambridge cowboy |
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Radar recordings are retained for 30 days.
It's worth filing an airprox so it can be investigated and lessons learned
Alan
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On 14 Jun 2017, at 19:16, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
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Hi!
David, you are probably too late to have the Radar Services save the tapes. But if you had reported it whilst air borne they would have it recorded. The JCB helicopter nearly took me out between Kettering and Northampton once I didn’t report it at once but commenced a complaint with JCB direct, they denied having a flight at that time. But on pressure their manager gave way and admitted the flight was a training flight between Ellestree and Utoxeter with the damn pilot “under the hood” his lookout was on the wrong side to me. I had been receiving a Radar service from Birmingham or East Midlands but he was under observation from Coventry. But no bugger was going to tell me I didn’t know what a Yellow JCB copter looked like especially when in that split second all I could see out the screen forward was yellow Copter.
You should have done an immediate airborne report but I guess you weren’t receiving a service?
These tossers want taking to task . I would instigate an investigation .......nothing to stop you ......make them squirm like the Hunter Pilot at Shorham.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)
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Subject: Cambridge cowboy
This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 miles north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and battling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added clearance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were surprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to descend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yards in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off in the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and white and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever.
If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you might like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre!
Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:47 pm Post subject: Cambridge cowboy |
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I am pursuing it via the Cambridge Aero Club, which strangely enough has a blue and white Extra the spitting image of the one which aggravate4d us. David
On 2017-06-14 20:49, Alan Burrill wrote: | Quote: | Radar recordings are retained for 30 days.
It's worth filing an airprox so it can be investigated and lessons learned
AlanSent from my iPad
On 14 Jun 2017, at 19:16, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
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Hi!
David, you are probably too late to have the Radar Services save the tapes. But if you had reported it whilst air borne they would have it recorded. The JCB helicopter nearly took me out between Kettering and Northampton once I didn't report it at once but commenced a complaint with JCB direct, they denied having a flight at that time. But on pressure their manager gave way and admitted the flight was a training flight between Ellestree and Utoxeter with the damn pilot "under the hood" his lookout was on the wrong side to me. I had been receiving a Radar service from Birmingham or East Midlands but he was under observation from Coventry. But no bugger was going to tell me I didn't know what a Yellow JCB copter looked like especially when in that split second all I could see out the screen forward was yellow Copter.
You should have done an immediate airborne report but I guess you weren't receiving a service?
These tossers want taking to task . I would instigate an investigation .......nothing to stop you ......make them squirm like the Hunter Pilot at Shorham.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)Sent: 14 June 2017 09:38To: europa listSubject: Cambridge cowboy
This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 miles north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and battling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added clearance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were surprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to descend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yards in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off in the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and white and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever.
If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you might like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre!
Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH
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