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charles mcfarland



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:43 am    Post subject: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

I am looking for anyone who might have been around when Dick Navratil covered the wings of his Pietenpol 25RN. I bought the airplane and it is in need of some fabric touch up and it is not clear in his logbooks what kind of paint or even process he used. Dick wanted the fabric to appear to be leather and also kind of translucent. He went to great extremes to order fabric that was not stamped with the ink from the supplier (poly-fiber, ceconite, Stewart, etc.).

The paint had some type of UV filter mixed in with it, so there was no "silver" coat underneath the paint. There is also no evidence of the pink color usually associated with poly-fiber or green associated with Stewart systems. It appears that it was just a clear glue, possibly a white primer and then stained somehow. So far I have not been able to find a paint supplier that can come close to matching it and even spots that Dick had touched up were not good matches and just brushed on over the sprayed area.

Any help from anyone who might have been around when the airplane was finished would be greatly appreciated!

Charlie McFarland


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:48 am    Post subject: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

I distinctly remember, from the Sport Aviation article I believe, that he contacted the folks at Poly Fiber to create that paint. Maybe you can find that article again to make sure my recollection is correct.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

Thanks Dan,

I contacted Poly-fiber a few months ago, but they had no record of any transactions with Dick and nobody knew anything about the paint that was used. Apparently, they had a fire or something that destroyed all records shortly after Dick had worked with them.

All part of the fun of a homebuilt, right?

Thanks again,

Charlie


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

I used the Stewart's system and they have a clear cement that I used...no green or pink. Check to see if he used latex paint by using some denatured alcohol . Rub a bit on in a hidden spot, if the surface rubs off, it is latex- like paint (water based). Water based paint is highly UV resistant and some is pretty translucent. I tried some clear latex, but it was not too UV resistant. The clear cement under it turned brown in the sunlight (UV), looked bad, but still was strong and OK according to Stewerts. I painted over the clear with highly resistant opaque latex (yellow). I'd bet he used latex.

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Thanks Dan,

I contacted Poly-fiber a few months ago, but they had no record of any transactions with Dick and nobody knew anything about the paint that was used. Apparently, they had a fire or something that destroyed all records shortly after Dick had worked with them.

All part of the fun of a homebuilt, right?

Thanks again,

Charlie




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

I did a Google search for "Dick Navratil matronics pietenpol paint" and found some references
Here is one tidbit written by Dick on the Rotecradial
"Poly Fiber made a special batch of Poly Tone finish for me. It is a clear finish with a wood type stain added and UV filter.

I did a lot of testing to try for a look of stretched leather. I'm pretty happy with the result. I have the leather for the interior, I will be starting on that. I'm going to have a saddle shop finish it for me. I want the seats to have a western saddle type of look."
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Thanks Dan,

I contacted Poly-fiber a few months ago, but they had no record of any transactions with Dick and nobody knew anything about the paint that was used.  Apparently, they had a fire or something that destroyed all records shortly after Dick had worked with them.

All part of the fun of a homebuilt, right?

Thanks again,

Charlie




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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone who answered. That all gives me something to go on. I hope to see and meet everyone at Brodhead this year.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

Hi Charles

Dick ordered that paint custom mixed from AC&S. That might be a hard color for them to match with out a sample.
As for the Poly brush you can order it untinted.  The quart p/n is 09-04110   and the Gallon p/n is 09-04210.
The Poly-tak is clear.
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I am looking for anyone who might have been around when Dick Navratil covered the wings of his Pietenpol 25RN.  I bought the airplane and it is in need of some fabric touch up and it is not clear in his logbooks what kind of paint or even process he used.  Dick wanted the fabric to appear to be leather and also kind of translucent.  He went to great extremes to order fabric that was not stamped with the ink from the supplier (poly-fiber, ceconite, Stewart, etc.).

The paint had some type of UV filter mixed in with it, so there was no "silver" coat underneath the paint.  There is also no evidence of the pink color usually associated with poly-fiber or green associated with Stewart systems.  It appears that it was just a clear glue, possibly a white primer and then stained somehow.  So far I have not been able to find a paint supplier that can come close to matching it and even spots that Dick had touched up were not good matches and just brushed on over the sprayed area.

Any help from anyone who might have been around when the airplane was finished would be greatly appreciated!

Charlie McFarland




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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:45 am    Post subject: Re: Dick Navratil's Rotec powered Piet Reply with quote

Hi Dale,

Thanks for the reply and info. I think you are talking about Aircraft Spruce when you said AC&S? I can send them a sample. I have had lots of help thanks to the forum and think there is a good possibility I can get a close match by using one of several suggested techniques along with some trial and error work on some junk pieces.

I will also try to call Aircraft Spruce just to see if they might have a record of what Dick may have ordered years ago. Probably a long shot, but you never know.

Looking forward to Brodhead!

Charlie


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