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 Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: No SNOT |
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Mark,
Excellent! Ihope everyone who reads about cleaning the snot bottle
takes it to heart. BTW, the only "drift" I have outside my hangar in
the winter is the shadow from my hangar because it faces due north. 
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/16/2017 2:18 PM, Mark Davis wrote:
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Dennis,
Not my YAK, just throwing in a hand to get it up and running. Bill's
in Korea (South) torturing 777 pilots for Boeing. I intend to flush
mine now this winter, even though it "blows" lots of snot. Any
reduced capacity from built up crud likely decreases its efficiency in
separating the water. I think I'll try the ultrasonic cleaning
method as well since I likely won't be in a hurry to get it back up
and running. Lots of time to spare when my hangar has deep snow
drifts in front of it......
Mark
*From:*owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis
Savarese
*Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 11:11 AM
*To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: No SNOT
Many people completely ignore flushing the snot bottle every couple of
years and the result is exactly what you've experienced Mark. Glad
you got it fixed.
Dennis
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*From:*Mark Davis <markdavis(at)wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis(at)wbsnet.org>>
*To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>
*Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM
*Subject:* RE: No SNOT
Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it
was completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of
flushing with avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We
switched to hot tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that
seemed to let bigger chunks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough
spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on it with
the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every
flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning
cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk.
The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked
pretty good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic
cleaner it probably would have been the best method to get it all
soaked/vibrated loose.
The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in
the pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
Mark Davis
N44YK
*From:*owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis
Savarese
*Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
*To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>
*Subject:* Re: No SNOT
Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've
seen several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
Dennis
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*From:*William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>>
*To:* Yaklist <yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: No SNOT
<mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>>
We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw(at)ziggo.nl
<mailto:pa3arw(at)ziggo.nl>> wrote:
>
>
<mailto:pa3arw(at)ziggo.nl>>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water separator(?)
> rather then air-oil separator.
> After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well you
> wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>
> I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one
thing left
> again to replace...the air compressor.
> In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were not
> doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now
since
> the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans O.
> PH-YAK
>
>
> Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net
<mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>> schreef:
>
>>
>> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>>
>>
>> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>>
>> A. Dennis Savarese
>> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>
>> Skype - Yakguy1
>>
>> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>>> Sounds like everything that can and should be checked/replaced/cleaned
>>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>>> describes...
>>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>>> audible behavior?
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>>> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
<mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net
<mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of time?
>>>
>>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then with
>>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>
<mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>>>
>>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>
>>> <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>>> *
>>>
<mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>>>
>>>
>>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve is
>>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>>>
>>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List>
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Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:06 am Post subject: No SNOT |
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I have found that putting Drano in the bottle and soaking it. Maybe several times also Eats the rust and crud. Gary. CJ. N22YK
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| Quote: | On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:49, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
Mark,
Excellent! Ihope everyone who reads about cleaning the snot bottle takes it to heart. BTW, the only "drift" I have outside my hangar in the winter is the shadow from my hangar because it faces due north.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
> On 10/16/2017 2:18 PM, Mark Davis wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> Not my YAK, just throwing in a hand to get it up and running. Bill's in Korea (South) torturing 777 pilots for Boeing. I intend to flush mine now this winter, even though it "blows" lots of snot. Any reduced capacity from built up crud likely decreases its efficiency in separating the water. I think I'll try the ultrasonic cleaning method as well since I likely won't be in a hurry to get it back up and running. Lots of time to spare when my hangar has deep snow drifts in front of it......
>
> Mark
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A. Dennis Savarese
> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 11:11 AM
> *To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: No SNOT
>
> Many people completely ignore flushing the snot bottle every couple of years and the result is exactly what you've experienced Mark. Glad you got it fixed.
>
> Dennis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Mark Davis <markdavis(at)wbsnet.org <mailto:markdavis(at)wbsnet.org>>
> *To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 12:58 PM
> *Subject:* RE: No SNOT
>
> Update on the notso snotty snot valve. We removed it yesterday and it was completely obstructed with coagulated snot/debris. 30 minutes of flushing with avgas still had it letting small and large chunks go. We switched to hot tap water with Dawn dishwashing detergent and that seemed to let bigger chunks go faster. We vibrated it with the rough spot on a bench grinder as is sped up and slowed down, beat on it with the plastic handle of a screwdriver and blew it out after every flush/cleaning attempt. It took two hours and probably 40 cleaning cycles before it looked like we were getting to the end of the junk. The final flushes with avgas dumped into a coffee filter looked pretty good. It now works properly. If we'd had an ultrasonic cleaner it probably would have been the best method to get it all soaked/vibrated loose.
>
> The rebuilt compressor works fine. The rubber tip on the piston in the pop off valve was bad and limiting the pressure build up.
>
> Mark Davis
>
> N44YK
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *A.. Dennis Savarese
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:23 PM
> *To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: No SNOT
>
> Rebuilt compressor may very well be the problem. Over the years I've seen several so-called "rebuilt" compressors fail in more ways than one.
>
> Dennis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>>
> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: No SNOT
>
>
>
> We replaced the compressor. This is a new rebuild.
>
> > On Oct 14, 2017, at 08:43, Hans Oortman <pa3arw(at)ziggo.nl <mailto:pa3arw(at)ziggo.nl>> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dennis,
>
> >
>
> > I don't wanna be a smart ass but I think you mean air-water separator(?)
>
> > rather then air-oil separator.
>
> > After all in our air system in the Yak and I assume in the CJ as well you
>
> > wanna have some oil in the air...better for the actuators...
>
> >
>
> > I think, despite the swap of all items already, there is only one thing left
>
> > again to replace...the air compressor.
>
> > In the beginning of my Yak career I have had 3 compressors that were not
>
> > doing what they were supposed to do i.e. deliver 50 bars of air. Now since
>
> > the last 12 years I've had no problem whatsoever....touch wood!
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> >
>
> > Hans O.
>
> > PH-YAK
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Op 14-10-17 15:38, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>> schreef:
>
> >
>
> >>
>
> >> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>>
>
> >>
>
> >> No. The snot bottle is an air-oil separator anddoes its jobfrom the
>
> >> beginning of the first burst of air pressure from the compressor.
>
> >>
>
> >> A. Dennis Savarese
>
> >> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>
> >> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>
>
> >> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> >>
>
> >> On 10/14/2017 9:30 AM, Justin Drafts wrote:
>
> >>> Sounds like everything that can and should be checked/replaced/cleaned
>
> >>> has been, possibly (?) barring extensive port cleaning Dennis
>
> >>> describes...
>
> >>> I'm wondering... is there a minimum system pressure required in the
>
> >>> main tank & lines before the snot-pot will give its typical & very
>
> >>> audible behavior?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Justin
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
>
> >>> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bill,
>
> >>> You said the bottle pressure increases. In your judgement, is it
>
> >>> taking longer to fill the air bottle or about the same amount of time?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Did you remove the snot bottle and flush out all 3 orifices? ie:
>
> >>> Input side; Output side AND the drain? You can immerse the snot
>
> >>> bottle in avgas, shake it around inside the snot bottle, then with
>
> >>> your fingers, plug up two openings and let it drain out the 3rd
>
> >>> opening. Repeat the process for all 3 openings until everything
>
> >>> that flushes out is avgas-clear.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Dennis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>> *From:* William Geipel <l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com> <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>>>
>
> >>> *To:* Yaklist <yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>
>
> >>> <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:yak-list(at)matronics.com>>>
>
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 11:36 PM
>
> >>> *
>
> >>>
>
> >>> <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com <mailto:l129bs(at)gmail.com>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> No air or discharge from SNOT valve. New air compressor, new
>
> >>> pop-off valve, cleaned entire valve, snot valve seals properly,
>
> >>> new check valve at fill point, sprayed so much soapy water that I
>
> >>> was afraid to turn on electricity. No leaks found all the way to
>
> >>> the gauges. Blew air from compressor in to airplane: snot valve is
>
> >>> clean and tight, bottle pressure increased.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Not much else to change. Any thoughts?
>
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>
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