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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/17 Reply with quote

Bob
For your first flights I highly recommend flying off grass or gravel the first few times, much more forgiving. Also 50 is nifty
And fly it all the way to the ground, just roll it on
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1. 06:36 AM - New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
2. 08:41 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions ()
3. 08:50 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Gary Aman)
4. 09:06 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Larry Cottrell)
5. 12:15 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (woody)
6. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
7. 02:50 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
8. 03:41 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
9. 08:37 PM - Video all local to KCMA (jonealjr)
10. 08:55 PM - Re: Video all local to KCMA (Richard Pike)
11. 11:18 PM - Re: Re: Video all local to KCMA (Bill Berle)



________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________


Time: 06:36:21 AM PST US
Subject: New FS II flyer has Questions
From: "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com>


Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator for
the nod.
I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need on
an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
VNE = 90mph
VA = ???
VY = ???
VX = ???
real life Stall speeds
The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45 for
approach.
Thanks for any help...Bob


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572


________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________


Time: 08:41:01 AM PST US
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions


I made my first flight in my new Kolb Ultrastar 33 years ago this past July. I
was a helicopter pilot, not a fixed wing pilot. Actually, I was a rusty helicopter
pilot, hadn't flown in 8 years. I read a lot of stick and rudder books
to get up to speed on being an airplane pilot. I paid special attention to Homer
Kolb's comments about test flying his new Ultrastar. "Take it up to 1000
feet above the ground and check the stall speed." Now you are good to go. You
know when the aircraft is going to quit flying, unless you get yourself into
an accelerated stall, which is damn near impossible to do in a Kolb. Stalls
were my biggest worry coming from a rotary wing world where we didn't pay a whole
lot of attention to that terminology.

As far as the other "V" speeds, I didn't worry about them much except "maneuver"
and VNE. Maneuver speed was anything slow enough to be comfortable in rough
air. VNE wasn't a big problem either, but I tried to stay below whatever happened
to be the "popular" VNE for whatever Kolb model I was flying.

Stall speed is critical.

High speeds and rough air don't mix.

john h
mkIII
Palm Desert, California


---- RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________


Time: 08:50:35 AM PST US
Subject: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>


only reliable info for lower speed questions is actual experience in your airplane
.take it up and at safe altitude,slow it down until you see what your indicator
reads when it stalls
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________


Time: 09:06:01 AM PST US
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions

congratulations on finishing your FII. The questions that you have asked
has had many attempts to be answered. I am afraid that there are too many
variables for a hard and fast answer.

With my Firestar in its current configuration I use 50 for climb. Stall
speeds can vary as much as 29- to one I flew that stalled at 60? What I am
saying is that there is no hard and fast numbers for your plane other than
what you yourself discover.

Your best plan is to be very conservative and let your plane tell you what
it likes. On your take off roll keep a bit of back stick and let it lift
off by itself. Get at least a 1000 feet and see what your best climb is by
pulling back on the stick. Do check and see what your ASI indicates as a
stall speed. There are lots of differences in ASI instruments depending on
your pitot tube placement, the difference in cabin pressure, all that
influences your indicated speed.

While its nice to have an ASI that reads true, the real requirement is that
you know what yours reads when the plane quits flying. One of the biggest
problems with a kolb is that the design means that when the power is off,
it doesn't take all that long before the plane stops forward speed. It
takes most people by surprise and is the main cause of bent landing gear. I
suggest that you take it to altitude, pull the throttle off, give it some
back stick and see how long it takes for the plane to stall.

I also suggest that you maintain some power on your landings when you first
start. I do my approaches at 50. My plane however stalls at 30 MPH for me.

Good luck with your plane, but be very cautious until you know what your
operating speeds actually are for your plane. It may fly like the Champ but
it will not land like the Champ. It is designed for a totally different
mission.

Good luck

Larry

> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the
> administrator for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru
> replacing fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to
> need on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after
> getting my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of
> surprises shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use
> 45 for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>


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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________


Time: 12:15:52 PM PST US
Subject: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
From: "woody" <n3022.176(at)gmail.com>


There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know what
the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in. I
also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an edge
in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. Cool
PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584


________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________


Time: 01:01:50 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>


If anyone wants a set of steel gear legs for the Xtra, I have a pair Id like to
sell

Russ K
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:15 PM, woody <n3022.176(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
what the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in.
I also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an
edge in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. Cool
> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________


Time: 02:50:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
From: Russ Kinne <russk50(at)gmail.com>


Bob
IMHO NO one should fly ANYthing until/unless he knows at least what VNE, VX, VY,
and Maneuvering speed are.
Go back to ground school before you crash! Who gave you a review without making
sure you knew those???

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________


Time: 03:41:16 PM PST US
Subject: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
From: "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com>


Thanks to everyone for the info. I pretty much figured it would be a trial of flying
it and figuring out. I guess I was looking for some average speeds everyone
was using. I understand the vx,vy &va. The question marks were looking to
fill in the average speeds. Sorry for the confusion. I'll let you know how I
make out. Is everyone converting to steel gear? Will the original aluminum hold
up to average landings? Whats the source of these gear? I found a good source
for fuel tanks if anyone needs it. Thanks again... Bob


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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________


Time: 08:37:17 PM PST US
Subject: Video all local to KCMA
From: "jonealjr" <jonealjr(at)gmail.com>


https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk


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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________


Time: 08:55:38 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Video all local to KCMA
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>


My wife said you shouldn't fly low over the cows like that: it will make them stop
laying eggs...

--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.


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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________


Time: 11:18:59 PM PST US
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Video all local to KCMA


Congratulations Jimmy, GREAT videos! You're having a blast...

I owe you a call, will do so tomorrow.

Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

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On Sun, 10/15/17, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: Video all local to KCMA
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017, 8:55 PM

Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>

My wife said you shouldn't fly low over
the cows like that: it will make them stop laying eggs...

--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is
wonderful.


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