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International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018

 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 Reply with quote

Troyes is highly reccommended. Good ATC, excellent restaurant , Avgas and UL91 on serve youself with credit card set up. Grass or hard runways. Beware, like many French A/Fs it closes at lunchtime. It is where I clear customs for all my French trips, more or less. Worth trying to get there by 12MD (11.00 British time) & sample the restaurant. The city itself is very interesting and worth a stopover.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ


On 2018-04-13 13:22, James Kelly wrote:
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Hi Carl,
I've been looking at your proposed route. Where do you intend to clear customs "DEVIM" where's that ?
Best wishes
Jim Kelly G-BWEG Europa taildragger 912 UL

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 Reply with quote

I prefer to arrive at French airports during (the 2 hour) lunch 'hour'; I can then blind-call in French and not be caught out by an unusual ATC request!
Duncan McF

----Original Message----
From: gilles.thesee(at)free.fr
Date: 16/04/2018 16:22
To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Subj: Re: Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018

Le 13/04/2018 à 17:51, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) a écrit :

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Troyes is highly reccommended. [...]Beware, like many French A/Fs it closes at lunchtime.
Hi David and all,

Feeling compelled to jump in.
Would you care to elaborate about the above statement ?
As a French pilot, I am not aware of any French airfield closing to VFR during daytime.
Or maybe you were just talking about ATC or AFIS published hours or IFR arrivals, though that never prevents incoming or departing VFR traffic ?

To sum it up, French airfields are accessible to VFR at any time between SR-30 min and SS+30min.

One notice, though : at Troyes at no-AFIS hours, you must use French only on the radio, like on most French airfields.

https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dvd/eAIP_29_MAR_2018/Atlas-VAC/PDF_AIPparSSection/VAC/AD/AD-2.LFQB.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 Reply with quote

Gilles, Yes perhaps I did give the wrong ompression. I should have said that the Tower is closed over lunchtime. This is generally a bit daunting for us foreigners. We can mostly make approximate position calls in French but few of us are sufficiently fluent to cope if we get an answer in French and to work out whether someone is telling us to go away or just chatting or whatever, and may have doubts as to whether that airfield will let you land without ATC, especially if it is your customs airfield, so my recommendation is to get there whilst ATC is working and enjoy a lunch! David


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Le 13/04/2018 17:51, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) a crit :
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Troyes is highly reccommended. [...]Beware, like many French A/Fs it closes at lunchtime.
Hi David and all, Feeling compelled to jump in. Would you care to elaborate about the above statement ? As a French pilot, I am not aware of any French airfield closing to VFR during daytime. Or maybe you were just talking about ATC or AFIS published hours or IFR arrivals, though that never prevents incoming or departing VFR traffic ? To sum it up, French airfields are accessible to VFR at any time between SR-30 min and SS+30min. One notice, though : at Troyes at no-AFIS hours, you must use French only on the radio, like on most French airfields. https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dvd/eAIP_29_MAR_2018/Atlas-VAC/PDF_AIPparSSection/VAC/AD/AD-2.LFQB.pdf -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, Reply with quote

Hello to all,
I would like to comment about French airfields with ATC services regarding radio transmissions in English.
While I would agree that 10 years ago the level of English was poor, however they have made a massive step forwards and I find all the controllers clear and competent in English.
Why would you want to arrive when the tower is closed and use your French when you can use English when it's open?
Regards,

John
[quote="Duncan McFadyean"]I prefer to arrive at French airports during (the 2 hour) lunch 'hour'; I can then blind-call in French and not be caught out by an unusual ATC request!
Duncan McF


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