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Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/09/18

 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/09/18 Reply with quote

i weigh 260 lbs... am i too heavy for a Firestar/Firefly?
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Total Messages Posted Thu 08/09/18: 21
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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Gary Aman)
2. 05:10 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (John Hauck)
3. 10:15 AM - Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (Bill Berle)
4. 11:26 AM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (John Hauck)
5. 11:27 AM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (Stuart Harner)
6. 11:44 AM - Speed (Ted Cowan)
7. 11:45 AM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (John Hauck)
8. 11:48 AM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (John Hauck)
9. 12:01 PM - Re: Speed (John Hauck)
10. 12:51 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (Bill Berle)
11. 01:23 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (George Helton)
12. 01:26 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (Stuart Harner)
13. 01:51 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (John Hauck)
14. 02:35 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (John Hauck)
15. 02:47 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (Gary Aman)
16. 02:58 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (Bill Berle)
17. 03:22 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (John Hauck)
18. 03:39 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (George Helton)
19. 04:00 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (John Hauck)
20. 04:27 PM - Re: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 (George Helton)
21. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: gear legs (Russ Kinne)

________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:26:42 AM PST US
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight
Spades do counter balance each other but control ease is their intended function
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On Aug 9, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Spades will add weight forward of the hinge line, which is usually working AGAINST
flutter.

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Bill Berle

On Wed, 8/8/18, Denny Baber <baberdk(at)gmail.com> wrote:

My understanding is that spades are for aileron flutter.
Respectfully,
Dennis BaberCape Coral,
Flbaberdk(at)gmail.com305-814-7218
Stay
Curious


________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:10:12 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Firestar/HKS First Flight
True. Some. But not enough to get the job done, unless additional weight is added
to equal the out of balance aileron.

When I originally built my MKIII, before Kolb admitted there might be a problem
with aileron flutter, I fabricated some really neat counter balance weights and
attached them, very securely to 6061 plates I fixed to the inboard end of each
aileron. First couple flights went well during testing. Then, entering the
traffic pattern at my local airport, the MKIII went into violent flutter.
Snatched the stick right out of my hand. Chopping power and corralling the stick
as far back as I could get it, gets it out of flutter. I had learned that
exercise early on with my US and FS, but Kolb wasn't buying it. Landed and promptly
removed my beautiful counter balance weights.

Right about 85 mph, where the airplane and I liked to cruise was right on the edge
of flutter. Turbulence would set it off quickly. I flew the MKIII in this
condition to Sun and Fun 1993, to Homer's to paint the Lasers, and then to Oshkosh.
At Oshkosh I had to fly a photo shoot with a Cessna 208. He was having
trouble slowing to 85 and I was going into flutter at 85. It was a tough flight,
but we got'er done.

I was getting ready to do my flight around CONUS and up to Alaska, wondering how
I was going to make it with the flutter problem. I dreamed up all kinds of
cures to keep the aileron control linkage as tight as possible, but I was still
susceptible to flutter.

Finally, the next year at Sun and Fun Dick Rahill got the factory FS into severe
flutter. He was white as a ghost and visibly shaken when he finally got on
the ground after flying from Lakeland South to the UL strip on the edge of a severe
thunderstorm. A week later I got a set of FS aileron counter balance weights
from Kolb, made them fit my MKIII, and never again experienced aileron flutter.
It was wonderful and I was a month from beginning my big flight of 1994.
I had been flying with flutter for 10 years by this time.

Don't know why my design didn't work, but Kolb's did.

My design was ahead of the hinge line with bullet shaped weights like I had seen
on other aircraft. Guess I stuck them on the wrong end of the aileron because
they aggravated the situation.

john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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