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 Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:17 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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Non aviation question for y'all: I just installed a new outlet on my patio, so I can use my electric smoker and an electric fan without an extension cord. The fan works great. The smoker is ok when first plugged in and turned on so it connects to the WiFi. But a few minutes after turning the smoker's heating element in, the GFCI trips.
It's a Char-Broil electric smoker, 750W. It's a new, weatherproof 15A GFCI.
Thoughts?
   -- Art Z.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:08 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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On 7/24/2020 8:07 PM, Art Zemon wrote:
| Quote: | Non aviation question for y'all: I just installed a new outlet on my
patio, so I can use my electric smoker and an electric fan without an
extension cord. The fan works great. The smoker is ok when first
plugged in and turned on so it connects to the WiFi. But a few minutes
after turning the smoker's heating element in, the GFCI trips.
It's a Char-Broil electric smoker, 750W. It's a new, weatherproof 15A
GFCI.
Thoughts?
   -- Art Z.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.
My 1st troubleshooting step is 'elimination'.
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Have you tried a different device with roughly the same power
consumption (maybe a small electric space heater) to see if the breaker
still trips?
Have you tried the smoker on a different GFCI circuit?
Charlie
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:43 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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Good questions, Charlie. I tried the following, all without tripping a GFCI:
- Plugged a 1500W induction cooktop into the patio GFCI. (It has a 2-wire plug. I don't have anything with a 3-wire plug that is anywhere near the 750W smoker. Even my shop vac is 2-wire.)
- Plugged the smoker into a 3-wire extension cord and plugged that into a GFCI in the kitchen.
- Plugged the smoker into the same 3-wire extension cord and plugged that into the GFCI on the patio.
This is so weird.
  -- Art Z.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:23 PM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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On 7/24/2020 8:07 PM, Art Zemon wrote:
> Non aviation question for y'all: I just installed a new outlet on my
> patio, so I can use my electric smoker and an electric fan without an
> extension cord. The fan works great. The smoker is ok when first
> plugged in and turned on so it connects to the WiFi. But a few minutes
> after turning the smoker's heating element in, the GFCI trips.
>
> It's a Char-Broil electric smoker, 750W. It's a new, weatherproof 15A
> GFCI.
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> Thoughts?
>
> Â Â Â -- Art Z.
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> Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.
My 1st troubleshooting step is 'elimination'.
Have you tried a different device with roughly the same power
consumption (maybe a small electric space heater) to see if the breaker
still trips?
Have you tried the smoker on a different GFCI circuit?
Charlie |
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ashleysc(at)broadstripe.n
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:34 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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Hi Art Z;
There's a good possibility that it's the circuit breaker that is causing the problem. Newer style circuit breakers are very sensitive to arcing, even very insignificant arcing such as caused by a switch or thermostat. My neighbor brought over a heater that he used in a fruit dryer. It was tripping circuits in his new house. After taking it apart and finding nothing wrong, we plugged it in at my home, and it ran fine. We have older circuit breakers. So he took it home, changed one of his circuit breakers to the older style, and the problem disappeared.
Cheers! Stu..
From: "Art Zemon" <art(at)zemon.name>
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 6:07:10 PM
Subject: Smoker GFCI question
Non aviation question for y'all: I just installed a new outlet on my patio, so I can use my electric smoker and an electric fan without an extension cord. The fan works great. The smoker is ok when first plugged in and turned on so it connects to the WiFi. But a few minutes after turning the smoker's heating element in, the GFCI trips.
It's a Char-Broil electric smoker, 750W. It's a new, weatherproof 15A GFCI.
Thoughts?
-- Art Z.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.
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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:12 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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Last step, if you're motivated, would be to swap the locations of the new GFI and one of the older ones, and re-test.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 7:24 AM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Good point! I haven't had to buy a gfi since the new stuff came out.
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On Jul 26, 2020, at 12:39 AM, ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net (ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net) wrote: | Quote: | Hi Art Z;
There's a good possibility that it's the circuit breaker that is causing the problem. Newer style circuit breakers are very sensitive to arcing, even very insignificant arcing such as caused by a switch or thermostat. My neighbor brought over a heater that he used in a fruit dryer. It was tripping circuits in his new house. After taking it apart and finding nothing wrong, we plugged it in at my home, and it ran fine. We have older circuit breakers. So he took it home, changed one of his circuit breakers to the older style, and the problem disappeared.
Cheers!  Stu..Â
From: "Art Zemon" <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)>
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 6:07:10 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Smoker GFCI question
Non aviation question for y'all: I just installed a new outlet on my patio, so I can use my electric smoker and an electric fan without an extension cord. The fan works great. The smoker is ok when first plugged in and turned on so it connects to the WiFi. But a few minutes after turning the smoker's heating element in, the GFCI trips.
It's a Char-Broil electric smoker, 750W. It's a new, weatherproof 15A GFCI.
Thoughts?
   -- Art Z.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.
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art(at)zemon.name
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:56 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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Yeah... no. I'm not that motivated. LOL.Â
I used a short extension cord this afternoon (instead of the long one with a droplight that I used for testing yesterday. The smoker is working fine and the four trout are looking finer!
My guess is that the smoker's cord is stiffer than the extension cords so, when I shut the weather cover on the outlet, the cord is putting some mechanical stress on the outlet. Nothing else makes any sense to me.
Cheers,
  -- Art Z.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 3:31 PM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Last step, if you're motivated, would be to swap the locations of the new GFI and one of the older ones, and re-test.
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 7:24 AM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Good point! I haven't had to buy a gfi since the new stuff came out.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&sxsrf=ALeKk03WmQrYXzER-XzhWixqNY56dEw4OA%3A1595765931111&ei=q3QdX834BfC3ggf5p5_gAw&q=gfci+arc+fault+outlet&oq=gfci+arc+fault+outlet&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBQghEKABOgQIABBHOgQIABBDUMFMWKVtYLyDAWgAcAF4AIABtAGIAZsIkgEDMC43mAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
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On Jul 26, 2020, at 12:39 AM, ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net (ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net) wrote: | Quote: | Hi Art Z;
There's a good possibility that it's the circuit breaker that is causing the problem. Newer style circuit breakers are very sensitive to arcing, even very insignificant arcing such as caused by a switch or thermostat. My neighbor brought over a heater that he used in a fruit dryer. It was tripping circuits in his new house. After taking it apart and finding nothing wrong, we plugged it in at my home, and it ran fine. We have older circuit breakers. So he took it home, changed one of his circuit breakers to the older style, and the problem disappeared.
Cheers!  Stu..Â
From: "Art Zemon" <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)>
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 6:07:10 PM
Subject: Smoker GFCI question
Non aviation question for y'all: I just installed a new outlet on my patio, so I can use my electric smoker and an electric fan without an extension cord. The fan works great. The smoker is ok when first plugged in and turned on so it connects to the WiFi. But a few minutes after turning the smoker's heating element in, the GFCI trips.
It's a Char-Broil electric smoker, 750W. It's a new, weatherproof 15A GFCI.
Thoughts?
   -- Art Z.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Smoker GFCI question |
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The length of the cord is most likely the problem. A longer cord has
more capacitance which allows a few more milliamps to leak to ground.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:21 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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Good point! I haven't had to buy a gfi since the new stuff came out.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&sxsrf=ALeKk03WmQrYXzER-XzhWixqNY56dEw4OA%3A1595765931111&ei=q3QdX834BfC3ggf5p5_gAw&q=gfci+arc+fault+outlet&oq=gfci+arc+fault+outlet&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBQghEKABOgQIABBHOgQIABBDUMFMWKVtYLyDAWgAcAF4AIABtAGIAZsIkgEDMC43mAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
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On Jul 26, 2020, at 12:39 AM, ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net (ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net) wrote: | Quote: | Hi Art Z;
There's a good possibility that it's the circuit breaker that is causing the problem. Newer style circuit breakers are very sensitive to arcing, even very insignificant arcing such as caused by a switch or thermostat. My neighbor brought over a heater that he used in a fruit dryer. It was tripping circuits in his new house. After taking it apart and finding nothing wrong, we plugged it in at my home, and it ran fine. We have older circuit breakers. So he took it home, changed one of his circuit breakers to the older style, and the problem disappeared.
Cheers! Stu..
From: "Art Zemon" <art(at)zemon.name>
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 6:07:10 PM
Subject: Smoker GFCI question
Non aviation question for y'all: I just installed a new outlet on my patio, so I can use my electric smoker and an electric fan without an extension cord. The fan works great. The smoker is ok when first plugged in and turned on so it connects to the WiFi. But a few minutes after turning the smoker's heating element in, the GFCI trips.
It's a Char-Broil electric smoker, 750W. It's a new, weatherproof 15A GFCI.
Thoughts?
-- Art Z.
Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:44 pm Post subject: Smoker GFCI question |
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Joe,
The longer cord (adding the extension cord) allows the thing to work. The GFCI trips when I do not use an extension cord.
I'll do more experiments tomorrow. It's raining cats and dogs today and I'm that that into testing the GFCI to stand in the rain and plug stuff in. 
  -- Art Z.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:40 AM user9253 <fransew(at)gmail.com (fransew(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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The length of the cord is most likely the problem. A longer cord has
more capacitance which allows a few more milliamps to leak to ground.
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