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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:17 am    Post subject: Garmin avionics trays Reply with quote

In researching my panel, I occcasionally have come across the gripe that the Garmin avionics trays were non-standard in that they were 6.3 inches wide instead of 6.25, and thus required the use of washers if installed with other non-Garmin components. I recently purchased the Garmin SL-40 transceiver and GTX-327 transponder. Measured the trays, and both were 6.25, so it appears that this issue has been taken care of. Thought I would pass this along to others contemplating panel choices.

regards

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Garmin avionics trays Reply with quote

The issue, at least my experience, was that the PS Engineering tray
(PS7000 = SL15) was wider that the "real" UPSAT/Garmin units (SL-30,
SL-70, GX-60 for me) and necessitated spacers for the non-PS units. The
mounting holes spacing (fore-aft) is not the same either but that's
really minor. I don't think the Garmin audio panel (GMA340??) is made by
PS Engineering so it may not have the same issue.

Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A


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In researching my panel, I occcasionally have come across the
gripe that the Garmin avionics trays were non-standard in
that they were 6.3 inches wide instead of 6.25, and thus
required the use of washers if installed with other
non-Garmin components. I recently purchased the Garmin SL-40
transceiver and GTX-327 transponder. Measured the trays, and
both were 6.25, so it appears that this issue has been taken
care of. Thought I would pass this along to others
contemplating panel choices.

regards

Erich Weaver


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Garmin avionics trays Reply with quote

I can verify that it's not "fixed"...doubt that it ever will be
except that maybe new models coming out will be more standardized.

My PS Engineering 8000, GNS480, SL-30, and GTX330 Transponder
had at least one or two of them that were 6.3 while
the others were 6.25. All of it was new this year.
Nothing was a major problem. The biggest problem I had, which
is a tip any GNS480 buyer should remember, is make sure you
mount your GNS480 tray at least flush with the face of your
panel, if not out a couple thousandths. The GNS 480 is
notorious for not seating all the way into it's tray, and your
serial communications won't work. I tried for 2 nights to
get my stuff to talk, and after talking to Stark and getting
that tip, I moved my tray aft a tad and then pushed the radio
in as hard as I could...problem solved.
Tim Olson -- RV-10

Greg Young wrote:
Quote:


The issue, at least my experience, was that the PS Engineering tray
(PS7000 = SL15) was wider that the "real" UPSAT/Garmin units (SL-30,
SL-70, GX-60 for me) and necessitated spacers for the non-PS units. The
mounting holes spacing (fore-aft) is not the same either but that's
really minor. I don't think the Garmin audio panel (GMA340??) is made by
PS Engineering so it may not have the same issue.

Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A



>
>
>In researching my panel, I occcasionally have come across the
>gripe that the Garmin avionics trays were non-standard in
>that they were 6.3 inches wide instead of 6.25, and thus
>required the use of washers if installed with other
>non-Garmin components. I recently purchased the Garmin SL-40
>transceiver and GTX-327 transponder. Measured the trays, and
>both were 6.25, so it appears that this issue has been taken
>care of. Thought I would pass this along to others
>contemplating panel choices.
>
>regards
>
>Erich Weaver
















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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Garmin avionics trays Reply with quote

I just acquired an all Garmin stack - GMA 340, GTX 327, SL40 -
all 3 trays are exactly 6.25"

g

Quote:



I can verify that it's not "fixed"...doubt that it ever will be
except that maybe new models coming out will be more standardized.

My PS Engineering 8000, GNS480, SL-30, and GTX330 Transponder
had at least one or two of them that were 6.3 while
the others were 6.25. All of it was new this year.
Nothing was a major problem. The biggest problem I had, which
is a tip any GNS480 buyer should remember, is make sure you
mount your GNS480 tray at least flush with the face of your
panel, if not out a couple thousandths. The GNS 480 is
notorious for not seating all the way into it's tray, and your
serial communications won't work. I tried for 2 nights to
get my stuff to talk, and after talking to Stark and getting
that tip, I moved my tray aft a tad and then pushed the radio
in as hard as I could...problem solved.


Tim Olson -- RV-10



Greg Young wrote:
>
>
> The issue, at least my experience, was that the PS Engineering tray
> (PS7000 = SL15) was wider that the "real" UPSAT/Garmin units (SL-30,
> SL-70, GX-60 for me) and necessitated spacers for the non-PS units. The
> mounting holes spacing (fore-aft) is not the same either but that's
> really minor. I don't think the Garmin audio panel (GMA340??) is made by
> PS Engineering so it may not have the same issue.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
> RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
> Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>In researching my panel, I occcasionally have come across the
>>gripe that the Garmin avionics trays were non-standard in
>>that they were 6.3 inches wide instead of 6.25, and thus
>>required the use of washers if installed with other
>>non-Garmin components. I recently purchased the Garmin SL-40
>>transceiver and GTX-327 transponder. Measured the trays, and
>>both were 6.25, so it appears that this issue has been taken
>>care of. Thought I would pass this along to others
>>contemplating panel choices.
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Erich Weaver
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>














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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Garmin avionics trays Reply with quote

I have the Garmin 340 audio panel, 430 GPS, SL40 comm, and 330S transponder. I purchased only the trays many months before I needed the radios. (why burn the warranty on the bench!!) I put the trays together, lining them up face down. The SL40 is slightly narrower but not a big deal. I did add some shims between the tray and the support piece used to fasten the trays together.

After I got the radios and installed them I noticed all of the Garmin stuff lined up perfect. The SL40 however was inset about 3/32." Also not a big deal but I would have liked to have them all perfectly lined up. Nobody else has noticed.

If you don't have the radios my suggestion would be to place a 3/32" shim on the front of the SL40 or SL30 tray to get proper alignment.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:48 pm    Post subject: Garmin Avionics Trays Reply with quote

Ok folks ya got my attention:

Since I'm just about to mount my trays I have a few questions. I bought an
Apollo (UPS Aviation Technologies) stack (Audio, SL-30, GX-65 and SL-70)
about a year or two before they merged with Garmin. Now I'm finally
finishing the panel and about to install the trays. My ruler says that 3 of
the trays are exactly 6 1/4 inches wide. The audio panel tray however
(SL-10MS, actually a PS Engineering PMA 6000 with Apollo bezel), is about
1/32 wider. So....we been discussing the 6.25 vs 6.3 inch width issue here
and I obviously can't install the mounting rails at 6.25 inches apart or I'm
not going to be able to fit the audio panel in.

What has everyone been doing for mounting rails for these trays? My plan is
to use 1/16 aluminum angle (flush) riveted to the back of the instrument
panel cutout at the tray's width apart. Is this a good plan or do you
recommend doing something else (I already looked at Radio Rax, too spendy)?
Is there a standard distance between the two rails that will allow me to add
new radio technology later? If I make the rails 6.3 inches apart do I just
add shims between the rails and the other (6.25 inch) trays? What do the
avionics shops do? How do I mount the trays to the rail? I see two holes
in the front and back (sides) of the trays, does one just match drill the
rails to these holes and install screws and nuts? Do I need to use a flush
head screw inside the tray to allow the radios to slide in? Or....is there
a special fastener I use here?

Tray position forward and aft. I heard some rumblings about the 480 not
seating. Are we trying to get the back of the bezels to just touch the
surface of the instrument panel (nicest looking installation) or do they
need to stick out a little bit so we don't have seating problems? Is there
a standard way to do this or do I just have to fiddle around with it until
things match up? Should I slot the mounting holes in the aluminum rails a
little to provide some wiggle room?

I'm thinking that I'll make both the radio stack cutout in the panel and the
aluminum rails the full height of the RV-6 panel. That way I can just make
covers that I can remove later if I want to change radios and/or add
something like the G430 or MX-20. I was also thinking that I should drill
holes in the aluminum angle rails above and below my current stack to
facilitate easy install of new trays later. Is there a standard dimension
between the holes on the trays or between trays that I can use that will
facilitate this (ie. Can I just drill holes in the mounting rails every
inch)? Or is this just wishful thinking and I'll have to endure the pain of
trying to do this later with the panel in the plane (yuck)? Any other words
of wisdom on installing the radio stack? Thanks.

Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Enjoying systems install after spending (8+) years as a tin-smith.
Time: 08:57:59 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Garmin avionics trays
From: Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com>


I just acquired an all Garmin stack - GMA 340, GTX 327, SL40 -
all 3 trays are exactly 6.25"

g

Quote:



I can verify that it's not "fixed"...doubt that it ever will be
except that maybe new models coming out will be more standardized.

My PS Engineering 8000, GNS480, SL-30, and GTX330 Transponder
had at least one or two of them that were 6.3 while
the others were 6.25. All of it was new this year.
Nothing was a major problem. The biggest problem I had, which
is a tip any GNS480 buyer should remember, is make sure you
mount your GNS480 tray at least flush with the face of your
panel, if not out a couple thousandths. The GNS 480 is
notorious for not seating all the way into it's tray, and your
serial communications won't work. I tried for 2 nights to
get my stuff to talk, and after talking to Stark and getting
that tip, I moved my tray aft a tad and then pushed the radio
in as hard as I could...problem solved.


Tim Olson -- RV-10



Greg Young wrote:
>
>
> The issue, at least my experience, was that the PS Engineering tray
> (PS7000 = SL15) was wider that the "real" UPSAT/Garmin units (SL-30,
> SL-70, GX-60 for me) and necessitated spacers for the non-PS units. The
> mounting holes spacing (fore-aft) is not the same either but that's
> really minor. I don't think the Garmin audio panel (GMA340??) is made by
> PS Engineering so it may not have the same issue.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
> RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
> Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>In researching my panel, I occcasionally have come across the
>>gripe that the Garmin avionics trays were non-standard in
>>that they were 6.3 inches wide instead of 6.25, and thus
>>required the use of washers if installed with other
>>non-Garmin components. I recently purchased the Garmin SL-40
>>transceiver and GTX-327 transponder. Measured the trays, and
>>both were 6.25, so it appears that this issue has been taken
>>care of. Thought I would pass this along to others
>>contemplating panel choices.
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Erich Weaver

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Garmin Avionics Trays Reply with quote

Dean,

I've got the same stack going into my -6 and am also flying one in my Navion. I used 3/4x3/4x.063 angle for my rails and match drilled them for the holes in the trays and mounted nutplates on the rails. I used flat head screws for mounting. The audio panel tray is flush with the front of the rails and the SL & GX trays set back further to get the front panels lined up the way I wanted. There's an .063 doubler plus the .063 panel on top of the rails so the radios set 1/8 below the panel surface.

I spaced the rails slightly wider (5-10 thou) than the audio panel tray because the radio bezel is wider than the tray. I made shim strips, drilled to the mounting holes, for both sides of the SL/GX's. The mounting holes are not spaced to any standard plus you can alter the spacing between the radios. The audio panel holes will not necessarily align vertically with the SL/GX depending on how you want the bezels to align. I have elected to rebuild the rails if I want to change the stack in the future. I too looked at Radiorax and found them just a little pricey.

I'll send you some pictures offline of my -6 panel.

Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A

Quote:

--> <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>
Ok folks ya got my attention:

Since I'm just about to mount my trays I have a few
questions. I bought an Apollo (UPS Aviation Technologies)
stack (Audio, SL-30, GX-65 and SL-70) about a year or two
before they merged with Garmin. Now I'm finally finishing
the panel and about to install the trays. My ruler says that
3 of the trays are exactly 6 1/4 inches wide. The audio
panel tray however (SL-10MS, actually a PS Engineering PMA
6000 with Apollo bezel), is about
1/32 wider. So....we been discussing the 6.25 vs 6.3 inch
width issue here and I obviously can't install the mounting
rails at 6.25 inches apart or I'm not going to be able to fit
the audio panel in.

What has everyone been doing for mounting rails for these
trays? My plan is to use 1/16 aluminum angle (flush) riveted
to the back of the instrument panel cutout at the tray's
width apart. Is this a good plan or do you recommend doing
something else (I already looked at Radio Rax, too spendy)?
Is there a standard distance between the two rails that will
allow me to add new radio technology later? If I make the
rails 6.3 inches apart do I just add shims between the rails
and the other (6.25 inch) trays? What do the avionics shops
do? How do I mount the trays to the rail? I see two holes
in the front and back (sides) of the trays, does one just
match drill the rails to these holes and install screws and
nuts? Do I need to use a flush head screw inside the tray to
allow the radios to slide in? Or....is there a special
fastener I use here?

Tray position forward and aft. I heard some rumblings about
the 480 not seating. Are we trying to get the back of the
bezels to just touch the surface of the instrument panel
(nicest looking installation) or do they need to stick out a
little bit so we don't have seating problems? Is there a
standard way to do this or do I just have to fiddle around
with it until things match up? Should I slot the mounting
holes in the aluminum rails a little to provide some wiggle room?

I'm thinking that I'll make both the radio stack cutout in
the panel and the aluminum rails the full height of the RV-6
panel. That way I can just make covers that I can remove
later if I want to change radios and/or add something like
the G430 or MX-20. I was also thinking that I should drill
holes in the aluminum angle rails above and below my current
stack to facilitate easy install of new trays later. Is
there a standard dimension between the holes on the trays or
between trays that I can use that will facilitate this (ie.
Can I just drill holes in the mounting rails every inch)? Or
is this just wishful thinking and I'll have to endure the
pain of trying to do this later with the panel in the plane
(yuck)? Any other words of wisdom on installing the radio
stack? Thanks.

Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Enjoying systems install after spending (8+) years as a tin-smith.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:55 am    Post subject: Garmin Avionics Trays Reply with quote

Dean, when I install a radio stack, I attach all the trays together on
the bench, without the instrument panel, and do all the wiring as a
'set'. I attach them together with aluminum angles down the sides, both
front and rear. The front angles are also used to bolt (screw) the
radio stack to the instrument panel. The cutout in the panel is as wide
as the widest tray ..... and don't forget to measure the bezels!!!
You're worried about a rather insignificant (in the great scheme of
things) width difference, but If you're intent on addressing the issue,
use shims.

I typically install my 'electronics' fuses or ckt breakers on a little
subpanel that resides below the radio stack (if room exists .... if not
it's mounted where it can be removed along with the radio stack) so all
I need to connect the stack to the airframe is power, ground, mike
audio, mike key, and headset. I do this through a Molex connector, with
the exception of the power/ground, and I make sure they're easily
accessible.

The whole idea behind the 'totally removeable' unit is to be able to set
EVERYTHING up on the bench for troubleshooting purposes. Almost all of
the 'accessories' such as transponder encoder, CDI, and stuff like that
are usually connectorized and easily disconnected.

If I can't get to the back of the instrument panel easily, then the
angles on the front are turned around and the angles mount on the face
of the panel. In this case, the rear angles are replaced by flat stock
and the panel hole is sized to allow removal aft after unhooking the few
cables that exist.

Hope this helps rather than confuses!!!
Linn
do not archive

DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:

Quote:

Ok folks ya got my attention:

Since I'm just about to mount my trays I have a few questions. I bought an
Apollo (UPS Aviation Technologies) stack (Audio, SL-30, GX-65 and SL-70)
about a year or two before they merged with Garmin. Now I'm finally
finishing the panel and about to install the trays. My ruler says that 3 of
the trays are exactly 6 1/4 inches wide. The audio panel tray however
(SL-10MS, actually a PS Engineering PMA 6000 with Apollo bezel), is about
1/32 wider. So....we been discussing the 6.25 vs 6.3 inch width issue here
and I obviously can't install the mounting rails at 6.25 inches apart or I'm
not going to be able to fit the audio panel in.

SNIP


Quote:
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Enjoying systems install after spending (8+) years as a tin-smith.
Time: 08:57:59 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Garmin avionics trays
From: Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com>


I just acquired an all Garmin stack - GMA 340, GTX 327, SL40 -
all 3 trays are exactly 6.25"

g



>
>
>I can verify that it's not "fixed"...doubt that it ever will be
>except that maybe new models coming out will be more standardized.
>
>My PS Engineering 8000, GNS480, SL-30, and GTX330 Transponder
>had at least one or two of them that were 6.3 while
>the others were 6.25. All of it was new this year.
>Nothing was a major problem. The biggest problem I had, which
>is a tip any GNS480 buyer should remember, is make sure you
>mount your GNS480 tray at least flush with the face of your
>panel, if not out a couple thousandths. The GNS 480 is
>notorious for not seating all the way into it's tray, and your
>serial communications won't work. I tried for 2 nights to
>get my stuff to talk, and after talking to Stark and getting
>that tip, I moved my tray aft a tad and then pushed the radio
>in as hard as I could...problem solved.
>Tim Olson -- RV-10
>
>Greg Young wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>The issue, at least my experience, was that the PS Engineering tray
>>(PS7000 = SL15) was wider that the "real" UPSAT/Garmin units (SL-30,
>>SL-70, GX-60 for me) and necessitated spacers for the non-PS units. The
>>mounting holes spacing (fore-aft) is not the same either but that's
>>really minor. I don't think the Garmin audio panel (GMA340??) is made by
>>PS Engineering so it may not have the same issue.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
>>RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
>>Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In researching my panel, I occcasionally have come across the
>>>gripe that the Garmin avionics trays were non-standard in
>>>that they were 6.3 inches wide instead of 6.25, and thus
>>>required the use of washers if installed with other
>>>non-Garmin components. I recently purchased the Garmin SL-40
>>>transceiver and GTX-327 transponder. Measured the trays, and
>>>both were 6.25, so it appears that this issue has been taken
>>>care of. Thought I would pass this along to others
>>>contemplating panel choices.
>>>
>>>regards
>>>
>>>Erich Weaver
>>>
>>>

==========================================================
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Tel: 415 203 9177












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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:38 pm    Post subject: garmin avionics trays Reply with quote

Dan P.:

Do what we all do when we dont know what to do - look it up on Checkoway's web site to see how he did it. C'mon, get with the program and pay attention! : )

Here's a link to get you close - there is probably more to be found using his web site search tool

http://www.rvproject.com/20030613.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Garmin Avionics Trays Reply with quote

A data point:

Mounting up a KX-165 (6.25") over a pair of Terra separates (6.3"
overall). An .040 spacer on each side of the KX tray was about right to
make up the difference. It should have taken 2 .025" spacers so maybe
it's a touch over 6.3".

Pax,

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:47 am    Post subject: Garmin Avionics Trays Reply with quote

You can see how I did mine here:
http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/FinishKitAssyPg2.htm

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DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:

Quote:
<>
<dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>
Ok folks ya got my attention:

Since I'm just about to mount my trays I have a few questions. I bought an
Apollo (UPS Aviation Technologies) stack (Audio, SL-30, GX-65 and SL-70)
about a year or two before they merged with Garmin. Now I'm finally
finishing the panel and about to install the trays. My ruler says that
3 of
the trays are exactly 6 1/4 inches wide. The audio panel tray however
(SL-10MS, actually a PS Engineering PMA 6000 with Apollo bezel), is about
1/32 wider. So....we been discussing the 6.25 vs 6.3 inch width issue here
and I obviously can't install the mounting rails at 6.25 inches apart
or I'm
not going to be able to fit the audio panel in.

What has everyone been doing for mounting rails for these trays? My
plan is
to use 1/16 aluminum angle (flush) riveted to the back of the instrument
panel cutout at the tray's width apart. Is this a good plan or do you
recommend doing something else (I already looked at Radio Rax, too
spendy)?
Is there a standard distance between the two rails that will allow me
to add
new radio technology later? If I make the rails 6.3 inches apart do I just
add shims between the rails and the other (6.25 inch) trays? What do the
avionics shops do? How do I mount the trays to the rail? I see two holes
in the front and back (sides) of the trays, does one just match drill the
rails to these holes and install screws and nuts? Do I need to use a flush
head screw inside the tray to allow the radios to slide in? Or....is there
a special fastener I use here?

Tray position forward and aft. I heard some rumblings about the 480 not
seating. Are we trying to get the back of the bezels to just touch the
surface of the instrument panel (nicest looking installation) or do they
need to stick out a little bit so we don't have seating problems? Is there
a standard way to do this or do I just have to fiddle around with it until
things match up? Should I slot the mounting holes in the aluminum rails a
little to provide some wiggle room?

I'm thinking that I'll make both the radio stack cutout in the panel
and the
aluminum rails the full height of the RV-6 panel. That way I can just make
covers that I can remove later if I want to change radios and/or add
something like the G430 or MX-20. I was also thinking that I should drill
holes in the aluminum angle rails above and below my current stack to
facilitate easy install of new trays later. Is there a standard dimension
between the holes on the trays or between trays that I can use that will
facilitate this (ie. Can I just drill holes in the mounting rails every
inch)? Or is this just wishful thinking and I'll have to endure the
pain of
trying to do this later with the panel in the plane (yuck)? Any other
words
of wisdom on installing the radio stack? Thanks.

Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Enjoying systems install after spending (8+) years as a tin-smith.



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