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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Fuel tax, euros Reply with quote

Yes Mickey, just like in Europe, most of the press in this country (9 out of
10 reporters are leftists) loves to use scare tactics and lies to make us
feel guilty and put the heat on the politicians to enact draconian measures
(and higher taxes) to save us from ourselves. As the saying goes...tell a
lie long enough and people begin to believe it is the truth. What makes
Europeans think that paying more money to their government is going to bring
them wonderful new sources of energy at reasonable prices? Look at social
security in the US, it was originally to be set aside and used only for
retirement of the people who paid it. Of course it wasn't long before the
politician's appetites for social programs (the "great" society) and vote
buying put a stop to that.

As far reducing consumption...do the Europeans really think that if someone
were to come up with the ultimate energy source (that's totally renewable
and infinitely plentiful) that the socialist governments wouldn't tax the
hell out of it too? If they do then they're living in the dream world of
Carl Marx. I figured that when that huge deposit of oil was discovered in
the North Sea years ago that maybe the Euros would lower some of the taxes
now that they have their own supply, boy was I dreamin! The European
socialist system is going to have to collapse of its own Marxist tendencies
before anybody over there will do anything to lower taxes or regulation.
But take heart, if all those Islamic folks the Euros have been importing
take over the French and British governments and try to nuke the USA, the
major portion of western Europe will be wiped out by the counterstrike and
they won't have to worry about fuel taxes!!

Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Just full of joyful news!

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Europeans do complain about the high taxes on fuel, they see them as a
necessary evil to reduce their consumption, encourage alternative energy
development, and finance public transportation.

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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Fuel tax, euros Reply with quote

DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:

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Yes Mickey, just like in Europe, most of the press in this country (9 out of
10 reporters are leftists) loves to use scare tactics and lies to make us
feel guilty and put the heat on the politicians to enact draconian measures
(and higher taxes) to save us from ourselves. As the saying goes...tell a
lie long enough and people begin to believe it is the truth. What makes
Europeans think that paying more money to their government is going to bring
them wonderful new sources of energy at reasonable prices? Look at social
security in the US, it was originally to be set aside and used only for
retirement of the people who paid it. Of course it wasn't long before the
politician's appetites for social programs (the "great" society) and vote
buying put a stop to that.

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Sorry Dean, but this deserves an answer. I wholeheartedly agree with
your statement that if a lie is told long (often) enough, people will
begin to believe it. But....

Considering the events of the last 3 years, laying 'scare tactics' at
the feet of the media just doesn't ring true for me.

Our current administration has told us just about every lie it can come
up with to keep us terrified (& to fill the coffers of Haliburton at our
expense). These aren't just your average lies, either. A lot of good
people are dying because of them.

You also might want to check on the history of Social Security. It was
originally configured as assistance to retired persons who couldn't
support themselves, & payments began and have continued to be made out
of current revenue, not from funds contributed by retirees prior to
retirement. The bill was signed into law in Aug 1935, 1st appropriations
in Feb 11,1936, 1st payments made Feb 13, 1936.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)
http://www.ssa.gov/history/1930.html

Now, I'm not saying that the organization of Soc Sec is a good thing,
just pointing out reality.

Charlie

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." Quoted in 1918, by REPUBLICAN President Theodore
Roosevelt...what would Teddy say now?

"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but they can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
endangering the country. It works the same in every country.
-Herman Goering, Hitler's Riechsmarschall at the Nuremberg Trials

(sorry guys, but 'he started it' Smile )
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Fuel tax, euros Reply with quote

Dean,
How did you get so smart? Most people have no clue on the macro
level. Their day to day is their only reference. If you could tax your
self to prosperity, why haven't we got there. When taxes go down, the
economy picks up---- How can that be????

Jim

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