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bcondrey
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 Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Bob, are you saying that B&C’s own oil filter adaptor won’t work on an IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Bob,
Why don't you just use a remote mounting for the filter?
All you'd need is an Engine-Adapterplate, two short hoses and a Filter Mount.
AND you can mount the filter right side up for less oil mess when changing it.
do not archive
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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The Mattituck engine came with the angled adapter. That will be VERY NICE for changing oil. It is in the 2-o’clock position when looking at the engine from the front. Is this the same one you are talking about? I wasn’t planning on the aux alternator anyway, but that’s good to know.
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Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was “that’s a combination that we didn’t anticipate”. Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it’s not worth it to me - I’ll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C’s own oil filter adaptor won’t work on an IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Jesse,
Adapter is similar to B&C’s – they both have a spacer to clear the engine mount and that’s what specifically causes the issue.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:08 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
The Mattituck engine came with the angled adapter. That will be VERY NICE for changing oil. It is in the 2-o’clock position when looking at the engine from the front. Is this the same one you are talking about? I wasn’t planning on the aux alternator anyway, but that’s good to know.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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I may go that route but at the moment have the original filter adapter back on.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad L. Werner
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:05 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob,
Why don't you just use a remote mounting for the filter?
All you'd need is an Engine-Adapterplate, two short hoses and a Filter Mount.
AND you can mount the filter right side up for less oil mess when changing it.
do not archive
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Yes, Ed called me last week telling me of the exact same
situation he has with his system. SD-20 + Angled adapter = no-go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
| Quote: | Bob, are you saying that B&C’s own oil filter adaptor won’t work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Condrey,
Bob (US SSA)
*Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
*To:* RV10-List(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers
with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the
screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the
issue.
Bob
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Hmm. I'd have to go take a look, but any chance the B&C adaptor
#BC708-1 would work? It puts the filter in the 6:30 (down) position,
instead of 11:00 (up) position. Would the spacer still be required?
TDT
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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I would think it would work fine with no spacer. Reason the spacer is
required is because with the 11:00 (up) version the top of the filter is
above the diagonal cross member on the engine mount by about an inch or
so. The 1.4" spacer is the minimum that it takes to get the filter aft
far enough to clear the engine mount. I may give them a call and see if
they'd be willing to swap - interesting that the listed price is $55
different between them...
Bob
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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I just got off the phone with Bill at B&C - they have a solution. I
will provide specifics when I confirm it will work.
Bob
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator supposed to go?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Jesse,
Yes, that’s the position. Alternator is a 20 amp auxiliary unit (http://www.bandc.biz/sd20desc.html) that goes on the vacuum pad (all electric plane). Interference is between the corner of the filter adapter/spacer closest to the vacuum pad and one of the case screw bosses on the alternator. The folks at B&C have a “clocking adapter” that they believe solves the interference problem by rotating the alternator 45 degrees and moving it aft by 5/8”. They are also looking at changing one bolt for a cap head screw on the oil filter adapter. They are going to try the combo tomorrow and if all goes well will let me know.
Another builder (Ed in Oregon) also reported this to them about 2 weeks ago. Apparently B&C understood that he was using a 2.5” spacer instead of the 1.4” and based on that it was proclaimed a “no go” by B&C. Based on updated info on the size of the spacer they are certain that it will be a simple fix. Standby for confirmation of the simplicity…
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:03 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator supposed to go?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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I think mine has the 2.5” extension. Based on your calculations, will that be a clearance issue with the firewall or engine mount?
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Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:20 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Jesse,
Yes, that’s the position. Alternator is a 20 amp auxiliary unit (http://www.bandc.biz/sd20desc.html) that goes on the vacuum pad (all electric plane). Interference is between the corner of the filter adapter/spacer closest to the vacuum pad and one of the case screw bosses on the alternator. The folks at B&C have a “clocking adapter” that they believe solves the interference problem by rotating the alternator 45 degrees and moving it aft by 5/8”. They are also looking at changing one bolt for a cap head screw on the oil filter adapter. They are going to try the combo tomorrow and if all goes well will let me know.
Another builder (Ed in Oregon) also reported this to them about 2 weeks ago. Apparently B&C understood that he was using a 2.5” spacer instead of the 1.4” and based on that it was proclaimed a “no go” by B&C. Based on updated info on the size of the spacer they are certain that it will be a simple fix. Standby for confirmation of the simplicity…
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:03 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator supposed to go?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Jesse,
Based on actual installation (not calculations) the 1.4” spacer is the minimum needed to clear the diagonal cross member on the engine mount. I’ll take a look tonight and let you know if another inch will cause problems.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:22 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
I think mine has the 2.5” extension. Based on your calculations, will that be a clearance issue with the firewall or engine mount?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:20 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Jesse,
Yes, that’s the position. Alternator is a 20 amp auxiliary unit (http://www.bandc.biz/sd20desc.html) that goes on the vacuum pad (all electric plane). Interference is between the corner of the filter adapter/spacer closest to the vacuum pad and one of the case screw bosses on the alternator. The folks at B&C have a “clocking adapter” that they believe solves the interference problem by rotating the alternator 45 degrees and moving it aft by 5/8”. They are also looking at changing one bolt for a cap head screw on the oil filter adapter. They are going to try the combo tomorrow and if all goes well will let me know.
Another builder (Ed in Oregon) also reported this to them about 2 weeks ago. Apparently B&C understood that he was using a 2.5” spacer instead of the 1.4” and based on that it was proclaimed a “no go” by B&C. Based on updated info on the size of the spacer they are certain that it will be a simple fix. Standby for confirmation of the simplicity…
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:03 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator supposed to go?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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I looked as some older pictures of Van’s prototype and it looks like they have the straight horizontal style adaptor. That gets pretty tight to the firewall.
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:04 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Jesse,
Based on actual installation (not calculations) the 1.4” spacer is the minimum needed to clear the diagonal cross member on the engine mount. I’ll take a look tonight and let you know if another inch will cause problems.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:22 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
I think mine has the 2.5” extension. Based on your calculations, will that be a clearance issue with the firewall or engine mount?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:20 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Jesse,
Yes, that’s the position. Alternator is a 20 amp auxiliary unit (http://www.bandc.biz/sd20desc.html) that goes on the vacuum pad (all electric plane). Interference is between the corner of the filter adapter/spacer closest to the vacuum pad and one of the case screw bosses on the alternator. The folks at B&C have a “clocking adapter” that they believe solves the interference problem by rotating the alternator 45 degrees and moving it aft by 5/8”. They are also looking at changing one bolt for a cap head screw on the oil filter adapter. They are going to try the combo tomorrow and if all goes well will let me know.
Another builder (Ed in Oregon) also reported this to them about 2 weeks ago. Apparently B&C understood that he was using a 2.5” spacer instead of the 1.4” and based on that it was proclaimed a “no go” by B&C. Based on updated info on the size of the spacer they are certain that it will be a simple fix. Standby for confirmation of the simplicity…
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:03 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator supposed to go?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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Actually, I just have the horizontal for now, and had the intention of
possibly adding a remote mount firewall mount in the future.
As it turns out, I don't know that I'll bother. Yes, the filter comes
toward the rear a ways, but it fits right in that firewall cutout
box. Using a 1" socket on a stubby wrench, it's been do-able. Not
perfect, but do-able.
I put a cut-down tupperware container under the filter, and it drips
into that, no drips on the engine at all. I fear that with a vertical
mount, I'd be dripping things down the filter mount when pulling the
filter. I like the remote mounts, when you can remove them
upside down...perfect for no mess. But, as I said, the horizontal
one hasn't been a problem....and I myself am surprised.
Also, I have used the Champion filter, the Kelley Aerospace filter,
and now the Tempest filter, and all work fine, even though
they aren't of the same lengths.
I just bought, for $5, one of the rounded oil filter twisting
pliers. (not the band type, but 2 big curved jaws) Got it
from Harbor Freight on sale. I'm going to see if that's any
easier than the stubby socket for removal, when you don't
care about torque values. I personally don't use a torque
wrench on the filter, and never have, on cars or planes.
After doing literally dozens of changes, I've never had a
seep out of any of them. The tempest filters supposedly
have a better seal too. So unless you're planning to torque
your filters with a torque wrench, I'm not sure if I'm seeing any
reason to go with any adapter other than the cheap horizontal...and
if I were going to get away from that one, I'd go remote mount
and make it really clean.
When someone gets the angled adapter going from B&C, I'd like
to hear how your changing experience is though. If it's great,
it would be nice to know.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
| Quote: | I looked as some older pictures of Van’s prototype and it looks like
they have the straight horizontal style adaptor. That gets pretty tight
to the firewall.
TDT
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
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The horizontal one gets very tight with the firewall. In fact, without that box, I think it would not even fit, and certainly not be removeable, which would kind of defeat the purpose. The angled one will be much easier to change, and from my research it sounds like punching a hole in the filter, especially the angled one, will allow air in and allow the oil in the filter to run out before removing it. There will still be some left, but not as much as with the horizontal one. Remote would be nice, but that adds more complexity as well.
As far as reports on how it works, we hopefully will have some in about a month. If we aren’t doing an oil change by then, we will be way behind schedule (knock on wood).
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:23 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
I looked as some older pictures of Van’s prototype and it looks like they have the straight horizontal style adaptor. That gets pretty tight to the firewall.
TDT
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:04 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Jesse,
Based on actual installation (not calculations) the 1.4” spacer is the minimum needed to clear the diagonal cross member on the engine mount. I’ll take a look tonight and let you know if another inch will cause problems.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:22 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
I think mine has the 2.5” extension. Based on your calculations, will that be a clearance issue with the firewall or engine mount?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:20 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Jesse,
Yes, that’s the position. Alternator is a 20 amp auxiliary unit (http://www.bandc.biz/sd20desc.html) that goes on the vacuum pad (all electric plane). Interference is between the corner of the filter adapter/spacer closest to the vacuum pad and one of the case screw bosses on the alternator. The folks at B&C have a “clocking adapter” that they believe solves the interference problem by rotating the alternator 45 degrees and moving it aft by 5/8”. They are also looking at changing one bolt for a cap head screw on the oil filter adapter. They are going to try the combo tomorrow and if all goes well will let me know.
Another builder (Ed in Oregon) also reported this to them about 2 weeks ago. Apparently B&C understood that he was using a 2.5” spacer instead of the 1.4” and based on that it was proclaimed a “no go” by B&C. Based on updated info on the size of the spacer they are certain that it will be a simple fix. Standby for confirmation of the simplicity…
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:03 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator supposed to go?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
Subject: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o’clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4” spacer to clear the engine mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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