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Robert Reed
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 Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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Sorry to jump in here with contrary statements but that photo appears to be the TR-4 Super Cruiser,not the TR-1.
Bob
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser 300 aka TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't have a photo of it.
You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly camera that the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side  )
Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't think so.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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And to round of the Pulsar product line story ...
Attrached a picture of the original SP100 prototype in the same livery as the other two aircraft referred to in the earlier messages. The last information I read seemed to indicate that the plans for the original SP100 failed to materialise, so perhaps they decided to drop that from the product line. The TR-1 was indeed previously renamed Super Pulsar 150 as OC said, but perhaps they have now fixed the gear position problem on the TR-1 (looking at the photo of the new SP100 type) and decided to rename that as SP100 instead.
I'll try to clear this up when I speak to the Pulsar guy again next week. In the meantime I can report that Pulsar has said that they can and will supply new wings for the TR-1. If that turns out to be true it would be good for all of us.
Talk is cheap and paper is patient, I know .. so I'll see how it goes. No need to warn me to tread carefully. I have been around the block in various parts of the world )
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:01 pm Post subject: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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The 2 planes look the same to me except for the belly camera? One has no registration number, cowling attachment looks the same except one might have been retouched to lose the screws. The TR-1 does not have the cabin length as exhibited in these photos and the proportions are very different from the Cruiser. I would say that unless the TR1 has been redesigned, these are Cruisers.
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Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser 300 aka TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't have a photo of it.
You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly camera that the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side )
Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't think so.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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Having been to the PULSAR factory I can tell you that picture is of the 4 seat TR-4 derivative. It is a little wider and can carry a camera with transmitter in the belly. The 6 seat version has not flown yet. PULSAR has two different 2 seat aircraft. The Super Pulsar 100 and the 150. The 100 is a derivative of the old PULSAR XP/II/III while the 150 is a derivative of the TR-1.
Here is a pic I took of my airplane in the PULSAR hangar with the 6 and 4 seat airplanes. Mine still had Dave Tate's original paint scheme when the picture was taken.
[img]cid:ii_12f60b2a7373ee27[/img]
The gray airplane is the 6 seater while the white/green is the 4 seater.
Galin
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| Quote: | The 2 planes look the same to me except for the belly camera? One has no registration number, cowling attachment looks the same except one might have been retouched to lose the screws. The TR-1 does not have the cabin length as exhibited in these photos and the proportions are very different from the Cruiser. I would say that unless the TR1 has been redesigned, these are Cruisers.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:00 pm Post subject: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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This one (SP100) is the PULSAR XP/II/III derivative and is nothing like the TR-1:
This one (SP300) is the TR4 derivative:
I have sat in all 4 of the aircraft, (SP100, SP150, SP300 and SP600)
Galin
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Having been to the PULSAR factory I can tell you that picture is of the 4 seat TR-4 derivative. It is a little wider and can carry a camera with transmitter in the belly. The 6 seat version has not flown yet. PULSAR has two different 2 seat aircraft. The Super Pulsar 100 and the 150. The 100 is a derivative of the old PULSAR XP/II/III while the 150 is a derivative of the TR-1.
Here is a pic I took of my airplane in the PULSAR hangar with the 6 and 4 seat airplanes. Mine still had Dave Tate's original paint scheme when the picture was taken.
[img]cid:ii_12f60b2a7373ee27[/img]
The gray airplane is the 6 seater while the white/green is the 4 seater.
Galin
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| Quote: | The 2 planes look the same to me except for the belly camera? One has no registration number, cowling attachment looks the same except one might have been retouched to lose the screws. The TR-1 does not have the cabin length as exhibited in these photos and the proportions are very different from the Cruiser. I would say that unless the TR1 has been redesigned, these are Cruisers.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:49 am Post subject: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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Hello Alfred, You wrote: ".... out of date." and "..... Of course it is
possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't
think so."
With the help of Bob Reed (thanks Bob) I was able to go to the Pulsar web
site:
WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com
and look at what you are seeing.
Along with some comments made by Galin, based on his first hand observations
(thanks Galin), I believe errors, maybe gross, is exactly what Pulsar has
done on their website. What I see is a photo of a four place airplane,
combined with some of the two place KIS TR-1 (IO-240) / Sport 150
specifications, combined with an SP 100 title. I guess you could call that a
trifecta.
Replacement parts for your damaged KIS TR-1 would most likely come, if at
all, from what Pulsar now calls the Sport 150.
OC
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Subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com>
Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser 300
aka
TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't
have
a photo of it.
You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly camera
that
the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side )
Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their
website,
but I don't think so.
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Subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com>
That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is
out
of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for
the
SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 )
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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Here is a picture I took of the SP600 and the SP400 next to each other. My airplane, with dave Tate's original paint scheme on it, is in the background.
[img]cid:ii_12f640b03d58933a[/img]
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Hello Alfred, You wrote: ".... out of date." and "..... Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't think so."
With the help of Bob Reed (thanks Bob) I was able to go to the Pulsar web site:
WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com
and look at what you are seeing.
Along with some comments made by Galin, based on his first hand observations (thanks Galin), I believe errors, maybe gross, is exactly what Pulsar has done on their website. What I see is a photo of a four place airplane, combined with some of the two place KIS TR-1 (IO-240) / Sport 150 specifications, combined with an SP 100 title. I guess you could call that a trifecta.
Replacement parts for your damaged KIS TR-1 would most likely come, if at all, from what Pulsar now calls the Sport 150.
OC
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Subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>
Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser 300 aka
TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't have
a photo of it.
You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly camera that
the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side )
Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website,
but I don't think so.
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Subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>
That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is out
of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for the
SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 )
Cheers.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:26 am Post subject: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice |
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Sorry SP300 not 400. )
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Here is a picture I took of the SP600 and the SP400 next to each other. My airplane, with dave Tate's original paint scheme on it, is in the background.
[img]cid:ii_12f640b03d58933a[/img]
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4/17/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote: ".... out of date." and "..... Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website, but I don't think so."
With the help of Bob Reed (thanks Bob) I was able to go to the Pulsar web site:
WWW.Pulsaraircrafts.com
and look at what you are seeing.
Along with some comments made by Galin, based on his first hand observations (thanks Galin), I believe errors, maybe gross, is exactly what Pulsar has done on their website. What I see is a photo of a four place airplane, combined with some of the two place KIS TR-1 (IO-240) / Sport 150 specifications, combined with an SP 100 title. I guess you could call that a trifecta.
Replacement parts for your damaged KIS TR-1 would most likely come, if at all, from what Pulsar now calls the Sport 150.
OC
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Time: 10:51:49 AM PST US
Subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>
Sorry gents. but you are mistaken. Attached the pic of the Super Cruiser 300 aka
TR4. The six-seater Super Pulsar 600 is yet another craft but they don't have
a photo of it.
You can see from the registration mark, cowling attachments and belly camera that
the SP100 and the Super Cruiser 300 are two entirely different planes.
Easy to get confused if you don't see them side by side )
Of course it is possible Pulsar could have made a gross error on their website,
but I don't think so.
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Time: 06:51:42 AM PST US
Subject: Re: TR-1 Spar Repair Choice
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>
That might have been the case before OC, but I'm afraid you information is out
of date. Things have changed again since. The picture and specs listed for the
SP100 on Pulsar's latest website is clearly that of the TR-1.
Or would you say the attached picture is not a TRI KIS TR-1 )
Cheers.
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4/17/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote:
1) "It is clear that Pulsar is bluffing with the SP100 then - now that makes
me wonder ..."
I don't understand what you meant by "...Pulsar is bluffing with the
SP100...". Their whole El Salvador operation may be considered a bluff when
it comes to seriously producing and selling composite airplane kits.
Here is my take on the Pulsar in El Salvador situation.
A) When Rich Trickel left, 95 percent of their corporate memory and
composite technical capability left with him.
B) I don't think that Pulsar has actually produced and sold any complete
kits since the move to El Salvador. That's kits to be built by procuring
customers, not in factory prototypes or "one off" articles.
C) Pulsar existed as a build for speculation / custom order shop in El
Salvador and produced one or two completed airplanes for sale.
D) Pulsar in El Salvador is making some attempt at building / selling only
three airplanes or airplane kits. A two seater, a four seater, and a six
seater. Here is a quote from their Our Mission statement: "Today the group
supplies 3 types of aircrafts with capacity for two, four and six persons."
E) The airplane designated as the SP (Super Pulsar) 100 is the two place
airplane offering in their stable. You can recognize it in the pictures as
the one with the one piece canopy and windshield. The SP 100 is a derivative
of the original Pulsar line of aircraft developed years ago in Texas by Mark
Brown. Its construction method is distinctively different than the
construction method used by Rich Trickel doing business as Tri-R
Technologies.
F) When Pulsar bought out (took over) Tri-R Technologies and moved to El
Salvador they did not vigorously promote the KIS TR-1 / Pulsar Sport 150. I
am not sure if even one such kit / airplane was made from scratch there --
possibly the pink one that appears in some photographs on the Pulsar web
site may have been made there, but with many parts shipped from California.
2) ".... worth me spending any time pursuing a new wing from Pulsar?"
Getting major KIS TR-1 / Sport 150 composite parts from the people now left
at Pulsar in El Salvador is going to be a very dicey proposition.
OC
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Thanks Galin. That's why this forum is so great. There is always someone
who can separate the wheat from the chaf )
It is clear that Pulsar is bluffing with the SP100 then - now that makes
me wonder ...
Having been to the factory Galin -- do you think it is worth me spending
any time pursuing a new wing from Pulsar? Hard question I know, but lay it
out as you think fit - via private mail if you prefer.
At least it could help me to ask the right questions when I speak to them
again. No names no pack drill of course.
Regards,
Alfred
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