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				 Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:37 am    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/18/13 | 
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				I wouldnt put a hirth on a golf cart!  I personally know of two that almost turned the planes into scrap.   One fried pistons twice and brought the plane down and the other, hangered right here with me , cracked the casing next to the head in flight.  Metel seems to be too soft to hold bolts from what i hear.  Do a lot of ckecking.  My buddy would be happy tp part with his very cheap. They offered to fix it for abt a thousand
 My opinions and observations.  Ted Cowan slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
 
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      1. 03:17 PM - Re: Tee wagon  (Rick Lewis)
      2. 05:27 PM - Firefly/introduction  (Stuart Harner)
      3. 09:06 PM - Re: Firefly/introduction  (Larry Cottrell)
  
  
  
  ________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________
  
  
  Time: 03:17:13 PM PST US
  Subject: Re: Tee wagon
  From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net>
  
  
  I like it, good job, thanks for the picture....
  
  --------
  Rick Lewis
  
  (VW Watercooled Engine)
  
  
  Read this topic online here:
  
  http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415831#415831
  
  
  ________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________
  
  
  Time: 05:27:35 PM PST US
  From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
  Subject: Firefly/introduction
  
  Hello Everyone,
  
  
  My Firefly quick build kit arrived today.  Partain Transportation delivered
  it from the factory.  I must say, I don't think there was any way to get it
  here for less money and less hassle.  The kit is excellent in workmanship
  and there is no way I could have done it as quickly or as well as the
  factory did.  For me the quick build option is definitely the way to go.  
  
  
  I would be most interested in hearing from other Firefly owners on any
  subject from the kit, covering, painting, or engine selection to flying
  characteristics.
  
  
  A little about me:
  
  
  I learned to fly in an Aeronca LB-65 Pre-War Chief as a teenager.  I owned
  and flew a '63 Piper Cherokee 180 for a little over ten years and loved that
  airplane!  Alas, it became too expensive to keep when my flying habits
  changed and cross country travel became a thing of the past.  I flew the
  Chief for a few years, but life changes made that more difficult and the
  cost of owning a hanger and plane kept climbing, although my yearly logbook
  entries kept shrinking.  I finally sold the Chief this spring and started
  looking for an ulta-light that I could keep and fly nearby.  The hangar is
  gone too, so storage in a trailer was one of my prime requirements.
  
  
  Initially I was very intrigued by the BackYard Flyer.  I contacted the
  company and was very excited to visit with them at Oshkosh, fully prepared
  to order one while there.  I was greatly disappointed by the fact that they
  did not even bring a partially build unit to show off at Oshkosh.  It seemed
  as though I was intruding on their family vacation by asking questions.  I
  liked the design and the price, but wanted to see one fly and get a good
  firsthand look at the product.  Delivery time was quoted at over a year and
  there were no versions near me to look at.  I left my contact information
  with the company with promises to put me in touch with other owners so that
  I may find out more.  I never heard a word from them.
  
  
  While walking the booths at Oshkosh, I found Kolb.  I knew of them, but not
  about them.  When I discovered they folded up, I got very interested.
  Visiting with Bryan and Travis was like a breath of fresh air, with a hint
  of used car salesman thrown in. But what the heck, that is their job.  I
  found them to be friendly, and straight forward.  I did not commit at
  Oshkosh, but thought about the Firefly all the way home and spent an entire
  day on the internet researching the plane and the company.  I could not find
  any disparaging remarks AT ALL!  I bit the bullet and ordered my kit.
  
  
  Kolb has been a delight to work with, and I expect to be in much closer
  contact with them as I get into the process of finishing the Firefly.  Based
  on my experiences so far, I expect this is going to be fairly easy and lots
  of fun.  I have no worries about getting support from the factory.
  
  
  I have not made an engine decision yet, but will be ordering the covering
  kit soon.  I helped a friend cover and paint his Fisher Classic with
  Polyfiber products several years ago and was so impressed, I don't think I
  will use anything else.  Anyone want to try and persuade me differently?
  Please let me hear from you.
  
  
  I am leaning towards the Hirth 2702 with a Warp Drive 3 blade, but again, I
  want to hear from others.
  
  
  One last note, I really liked the delivery service by Partain.  I had not
  heard of them, but Travis at Kolb made all the arrangements.  I could not
  have gotten the kit here by any other means for less $ and it was hassle
  free.  I would definitely use them again.  Thanks to Tony Partain and driver
  Michael!
  
  
  I have perused the forums and am hoping to start quite a lot of conversation
  about the Firefly.
  
  
  Thanks for your consideration.
  
  
  Stuart Harner
  
  Central North Dakota
  
  
  P.S.  Anyone want a partially completed Loehle 5151 Kit?  I certainly don't
  need  it anymore, I have a FIREFLY!!!
  
  
  ________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________
  
  
  Time: 09:06:33 PM PST US
  Subject: Re: Firefly/introduction
  From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
  
  It appears that all the experts are busy, so I will at least acknowledge
  that your question was seen at least by one. First congratulations on your
  smart choice. I believe that you will love the little bird. However unless
  there has been some serious changes with Hirth I would do a lot of checking
  before I committed to it. I have no solid evidence against them, other than
  the experiences of a couple of friends, which were not all that good.
  Good luck,
  Larry
  
  
  On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>wrote
  :
  
 > Hello Everyone,
 > 
 > 
 > My Firefly quick build kit arrived today.  Partain Transportation
 > delivered it from the factory.  I must say, I don=92t think there was any
  way
 > to get it here for less money and less hassle.  The kit is excellent in
 > workmanship and there is no way I could have done it as quickly or as wel
  l
 > as the factory did.  For me the quick build option is definitely the way
  to
 > go.
 > 
 > 
 > I would be most interested in hearing from other Firefly owners on any
 > subject from the kit, covering, painting, or engine selection to flying
 > characteristics.
 > 
 > 
 > A little about me:
 > 
 > 
 > I learned to fly in an Aeronca LB-65 Pre-War Chief as a teenager.  I owne
  d
 > and flew a =9263 Piper Cherokee 180 for a little over ten years and loved
 > that airplane!  Alas, it became too expensive to keep when my flying habi
  ts
 > changed and cross country travel became a thing of the past.  I flew the
 > Chief for a few years, but life changes made that more difficult and the
 > cost of owning a hanger and plane kept climbing, although my yearly logbo
  ok
 > entries kept shrinking.  I finally sold the Chief this spring and started
 > looking for an ulta-light that I could keep and fly nearby.  The hangar i
  s
 > gone too, so storage in a trailer was one of my prime requirements.
 > 
 > 
 > Initially I was very intrigued by the BackYard Flyer.  I contacted the
 > company and was very excited to visit with them at Oshkosh, fully prepare
  d
 > to order one while there.  I was greatly disappointed by the fact that th
  ey
 > did not even bring a partially build unit to show off at Oshkosh.  It
 > seemed as though I was intruding on their family vacation by asking
 > questions.  I liked the design and the price, but wanted to see one fly a
  nd
 > get a good firsthand look at the product.  Delivery time was quoted at ov
  er
 > a year and there were no versions near me to look at.  I left my contact
 > information with the company with promises to put me in touch with other
 > owners so that I may find out more.  I never heard a word from them.
 > 
 > 
 > While walking the booths at Oshkosh, I found Kolb.  I knew of them, but
 > not about them.  When I discovered they folded up, I got very interested.
 > Visiting with Bryan and Travis was like a breath of fresh air, with a hin
  t
 > of used car salesman thrown in. But what the heck, that is their job.  I
 > found them to be friendly, and straight forward.  I did not commit at
 > Oshkosh, but thought about the Firefly all the way home and spent an enti
  re
 > day on the internet researching the plane and the company.  I could not
 > find any disparaging remarks AT ALL!  I bit the bullet and ordered my kit
  ..
 > 
 > 
 > Kolb has been a delight to work with, and I expect to be in much closer
 > contact with them as I get into the process of finishing the Firefly.
 > Based on my experiences so far, I expect this is going to be fairly easy
 > and lots of fun.  I have no worries about getting support from the factor
  y.
 > 
 > 
 > I have not made an engine decision yet, but will be ordering the covering
 > kit soon.  I helped a friend cover and paint his Fisher Classic with
 > Polyfiber products several years ago and was so impressed, I don=92t thin
  k I
 > will use anything else.  Anyone want to try and persuade me differently?
 > Please let me hear from you.
 > 
 > 
 > I am leaning towards the Hirth 2702 with a Warp Drive 3 blade, but again,
 > I want to hear from others.
 > 
 > 
 > One last note, I really liked the delivery service by Partain.  I had not
 > heard of them, but Travis at Kolb made all the arrangements.  I could not
 > have gotten the kit here by any other means for less $ and it was hassle
 > free.  I would definitely use them again.  Thanks to Tony Partain and
 > driver Michael!
 > 
 > 
 > I have perused the forums and am hoping to start quite a lot of
 > conversation about the Firefly.
 > 
 > 
 > Thanks for your consideration.
 > 
 > 
 > Stuart Harner
 > 
 > Central North Dakota
 > 
 > 
 > P.S.  Anyone want a partially completed Loehle 5151 Kit?  I certainly
 > don=92t need  it anymore, I have a FIREFLY!!!
 > 
 > 
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:49 am    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/18/13 | 
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				CONGRATULATIONS! Stuart.
 Thanks for sharing.
 I would definitely go with Poli-fiber from Aircraft Technical Support.  They give the same great service as Travis and Bryan and Dennis.
 All-around great folk involved in producing, building, flying and supplying, etc. Kolbs.  Thank God for Mr Kolb.
 Have a Blessed Christmas as you begin building.
 Bob
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