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stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
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 Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions |
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OK, I just figured it out.
The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the direction of travel.
Since I don’t have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail.
Color me embarrassed.
Sorry everyone,
Stuart
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Subject: Firefly flaperon questions
Hi,
In preparing to install the flaperon control tube and handle, I have been studying the plans (Page 17 of Firefly plans). This has me a little confused.
The plan states: “ Set-up the linkage with the flaperons in the normal trailing position behind the wing (flat along the bottom). The flaperon actuating handle should then be in the forward slot and the slider will be as far back as possible.”
The drawing goes on to show the handle in the lowest position and labeled as “Normal” with the full up position labeled as “Full Flaperon”. The drawing also shows the slider in the rearmost position, although it is not labeled to indicate if the flaps are normal or full.
To my mind, this is all backwards.
When the slider is in the rearmost position, the torque tube is in its most downward setting. Likewise, when the slider is in the most forward position, the torque tube is at the highest point.
Do the flaps get deployed by moving UP from the trailing position? Or is the drawing just the opposite of the way things work?
If the flaps deploy by moving down from the trailing position, that means the “normal” position of the handle is in the top slot and the full flaps position is in the bottom slot.
Can anyone clarify this for me?
Thanks,
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| Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions |
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Brother Stuart…
Don’t feel too bad, Pard… I had the wings on backwards for most of the first test flights….
Talk about yer long takeoff rolls…and the stalls were like arguing with my first wife…
Beauford
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Subject: RE: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions
OK, I just figured it out.
The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the direction of travel.
Since I don’t have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail.
Color me embarrassed.
Sorry everyone,
Stuart
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:45 am Post subject: Re: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions |
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| beauford173(at)tampabay.r wrote: | Brother Stuart…
Don’t feel too bad, Pard… I had the wings on backwards for most of the first test flights….
Talk about yer long takeoff rolls…and the stalls were like arguing with my first wife…
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon FL
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Hey Matt Dralle: got an idea - In Facebook, they have this thing where you can "like" stuff that is good; can you make us up a "Boofie" for stuff that makes you blow coffee out your nose?
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions |
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Stuart, On the other hand you could have done what the builder of my Mk III did and install them at just enough wrong angle that they worked but when the ailerons started to flutter (he didn't install the counterweights to balance them, either) the aileron horns were driven into the prop blades. Scratch three Warp Drive propeller blades. Good luck with your build.
Rick Girard
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net (stuart(at)harnerfarm.net)> wrote:
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OK, I just figured it out.
The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the direction of travel.
Since I don’t have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail.
Color me embarrassed.
Sorry everyone,
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Firefly flaperon questions
Hi,
In preparing to install the flaperon control tube and handle, I have been studying the plans (Page 17 of Firefly plans). This has me a little confused.
The plan states: “ Set-up the linkage with the flaperons in the normal trailing position behind the wing (flat along the bottom). The flaperon actuating handle should then be in the forward slot and the slider will be as far back as possible.”
The drawing goes on to show the handle in the lowest position and labeled as “Normal” with the full up position labeled as “Full Flaperon”. The drawing also shows the slider in the rearmost position, although it is not labeled to indicate if the flaps are normal or full.
To my mind, this is all backwards.
When the slider is in the rearmost position, the torque tube is in its most downward setting. Likewise, when the slider is in the most forward position, the torque tube is at the highest point.
Do the flaps get deployed by moving UP from the trailing position? Or is the drawing just the opposite of the way things work?
If the flaps deploy by moving down from the trailing position, that means the “normal” position of the handle is in the top slot and the full flaps position is in the bottom slot.
Can anyone clarify this for me?
Thanks,
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rickofudall
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Beauford, Reminds me of a story that Chris Price told me years ago (he swore up and down that it's a true story). Wills Wing got a call from a fellow one day complaining that his new hang glider just wouldn't fly right. "My takeoffs seem to be okay, but every time I get the scoops filled, it tries to spin around."
That was almost 40 years ago but to this day all Stupid Pilot Tricks get filed in my brain under Scoop Filling.
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Rick Girard
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Beauford <beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com (beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com)> wrote:
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Brother Stuart…
Don’t feel too bad, Pard… I had the wings on backwards for most of the first test flights….
Talk about yer long takeoff rolls…and the stalls were like arguing with my first wife…
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon FL
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Subject: RE: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions
OK, I just figured it out.
The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the direction of travel.
Since I don’t have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail.
Color me embarrassed.
Sorry everyone,
Stuart
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