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wmdherren(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Gasoline

After I left Monument Valley I went on out to Calif to see my brother.  I attended the Watsonville fly-in and watched Chris Byngs (sp) win the spot landing contest in his MKIII. He would have had the bomb drop too but they allowed a helicopter drop from a hover.   Being from LA I got the long dist award.  I added up the mileage for the trip, not including sightseeing at 2301 mi at Watsonville, CA.  They had something that I didn't know existed anymore, 80 octane av gas.  Since my Luscombe's Cont 65 was designed to burn it I bought a load.  As I expected, I found no difference in power or mileage, I was using the gas the engine was designed to use.  I can't figure out how you can get the same mileage on 2/3 the BTUs.  You can get the power by burning more ethanol.     Bill in Lousyana

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: Gasoline

All of you folks that want to know about E-85 here is a link. I think it

will answer all of your questions, including that of power and such.



 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-85#Power_output_and_usage_in_Racing



 



Ron 



Arizona



 



 



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After I left Monument Valley I went on out to Calif to see my brother.  I

attended the Watsonville fly-in and watched Chris Byngs (sp) win the spot

landing contest in his MKIII. He would have had the bomb drop too but they

allowed a helicopter drop from a hover.   Being from LA I got the long dist

award.  I added up the mileage for the trip, not including sightseeing at

2301 mi at Watsonville, CA.  They had something that I didn't know existed

anymore, 80 octane av gas.  Since my Luscombe's Cont 65 was designed to burn

it I bought a load.  As I expected, I found no difference in power or

mileage, I was using the gas the engine was designed to use.  I can't figure

out how you can get the same mileage on 2/3 the BTUs.  You can get the power

by burning more ethanol.     Bill in Lousyana

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: Gasoline

Who is the author, and what are his credentials?

Wikipedia is all well and good, except that anyone can be an expert on 

anything for a while, until the peer-review process shows it to bogus.

In the comments section of the article, not everyone is impressed with 

the author's data.

And while all this may in fact be true for the 912, have you ever 

actually mixed gasoline with ethanol and 2-stroke oil and watched what 

happens? It's not pretty. Did you ever run a 503 on it? The EGT's went 

nuts.

If you want to run it in your weed-eater, fine, but please not in my 582.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



Ron wrote:

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 All of you folks that want to know about E-85 here is a link. I think it

 will answer all of your questions, including that of power and such.



  



 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-85#Power_output_and_usage_in_Racing



  



 Ron 



 Arizona



  



  



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 After I left Monument Valley I went on out to Calif to see my brother.  I

 attended the Watsonville fly-in and watched Chris Byngs (sp) win the spot

 landing contest in his MKIII. He would have had the bomb drop too but they

 allowed a helicopter drop from a hover.   Being from LA I got the long dist

 award.  I added up the mileage for the trip, not including sightseeing at

 2301 mi at Watsonville, CA.  They had something that I didn't know existed

 anymore, 80 octane av gas.  Since my Luscombe's Cont 65 was designed to burn

 it I bought a load.  As I expected, I found no difference in power or

 mileage, I was using the gas the engine was designed to use.  I can't figure

 out how you can get the same mileage on 2/3 the BTUs.  You can get the power

 by burning more ethanol.     Bill in Lousyana

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: Gasoline

Well I am glad you brought it up. I certainly second your comment, so as not

to use Ethanol in a 2 cycle motor without further testing. As I observed and

my test revealed its not easy to mix oil and ethanol together, and there is

at least in my mind a question about proper lubrication. My experience is

only with the aforementioned 4 cycle motors. As for the Wiki explanation,

you are right its not the final word, my experience with MPG is very

different from what he wrote. But, I am willing to test my mileage again in

the Cavalier 2.4 liter 16 valve OHC, by running two fuel tanks on mogas

before taking a mpg reading comparison. I want to know about that stuff as

accurately as anybody.

I can without reservations say that both vehicles (Yukon 5.7 liter Vortec

motor, and Cavalier) are running great, and smooth on the E-85.



Ron

Arizona

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Gasoline

Richard,

If your not running ethanol blend gas what then are you running?  In 

the metro-plex areas like Dallas, there is no choice except for the 

summer blend unless your willing to drive many miles to get to a 

station located out side the defined perimeter that sells the normal 

ethanol free gas.

jerb

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: Gasoline

Here in East Tennessee, we are in the back-woods-plex, however the local 

Marathon station still tests alcohol-free. (Unlike some of the hollers 

around Chimney-Top, or down toward Bailyton...)



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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jerb wrote:

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 Richard,

 If your not running ethanol blend gas what then are you running?  In 

 the metro-plex areas like Dallas, there is no choice except for the 

 summer blend unless your willing to drive many miles to get to a 

 station located out side the defined perimeter that sells the normal 

 ethanol free gas.

 jerb



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