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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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 Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 3:37 am Post subject: Europa Crash in Lübeck/Germany |
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I strongly suspect that this another case where a SmartASS
or the equivalent might have saved them both. David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
On Sat, 10 May 2014 02:10:05 -0700
"JonSmith" <jonsmitheuropa(at)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
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It has obviously impacted the ground very hard for
reasons I am certainly not going to speculate about. I
feel the survivability in any aircraft under the
circumstances would be problematical - indeed I feel it
stands testament to the Europa design that one person at
least was able to survive. Personally I feel more
comfortable in my Europa than any other aircraft.
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 2:21 am Post subject: Europa Crash in Lübeck/Germany |
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Jim, Google Smart Avionics. Not sure whether the Mark 3
SmartASS is up on the site yet but if not it will be
shortly. The Mark 2 went out of production late last year.
The Mk 3 is in being , has been flight tested, will be on
sale shortly and slightly cheaper than the mark 2, I am
told.
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 9:07 am Post subject: Europa Crash in Lübeck/Germany |
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Graeme, I can tell you that you can fly with one flap up &
one down! I am ashamed to say (but too old to be too
ashamed - having seen that pretty much everyone makes some
sort of cock up if they carry on flying long enough!),
that I managed to rig my mono with the flap pin on one
side in front of the flap socket. It looked normal on walk
around, but proved very entertaining when I put gear up
and only one flap came up, the other staying half down. It
wasn't too much of a problem although certainly would have
been had I been doing say 40kts. And just to say that your
near name sake who started this thread is a very sane and
very experienced builder responsible for numerous Europa
mods, who has enormous experience of the development of
the Europa. His remarks are worth taking seriously
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Sun, 11 May 2014 08:48:11 -0700
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Is it a stall? my first thought was i would probably be
putting the wheel away to get some climb about there;
what if a flap pin was a bit short or the flap one side
moved out board and only one was brought up?
Certainly those first few flights are risky even with
the best inspections.
As for saying one wrong sweep when sanding the leading
edge will radically affect the stall characteristics, is
that true or help our cause? Perhaps a little alarmist -
no sane builder is going to put a flat on it.
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graeme bird
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Europa crash in Lübeck/Germany |
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Interesting to hear that you can fly with a flap down; but for me a lot is going on just after take off, watching the gauges, the speed the VSI, changing prop pitch, unlocking to get the wheel up and pushing the leaver with the right hand etc - maybe the spring/tension is a bit off if its first flight, I am not sure how I would cope if there were to be a sudden roll at that point.
Yep I also value Grahams wisdom and contributions; I am just thinking of the message, unintentionally, its sending to current builders. The fact is hundreds have been made by imperfect amateurs and the stall characteristics are one of the first things explored during the test flights.
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