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ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
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 Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:09 am Post subject: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads...... |
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Peter.....it is more than you would want for much more than 10 minutes. Please note I have not been talking about a runaway situation. Just a rogue relay deck not reversing until reaching the end of the travel. That has now been rectified by fitting the MARK II relay from Ford Allan /Menzimer organisation.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen
Sent: 10 June 2014 14:30
To: europa-list
Subject: Re: Stick Grips
approx how many pounds of push/pull stick force is it at cruise with a runaway trim (with a stock length stick)?
cheers & thx,
Pete
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
Hi! William
................Just don’t shorten the control stick .....use the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Stick Grips
whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim issue please
Will
William Daniell
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[url=tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744]+57 310 295 0744[/url]
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)>
Bob
Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
Regards
Lance Sandford
On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)>
Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages ! When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:43 pm Post subject: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads...... |
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Hi Bob,
What is the Mk II model no please? Do you know how it is different, other than shape which is a real bitch.
Tony R.
Sent from my iPad
On 11 Jun 2014, at 2:09 am, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
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Peter.....it is more than you would want for much more than 10 minutes. Please note I have not been talking about a runaway situation. Just a rogue relay deck not reversing until reaching the end of the travel. That has now been rectified by fitting the MARK II relay from Ford Allan /Menzimer organisation.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen
Sent: 10 June 2014 14:30
To: europa-list
Subject: Re: Stick Grips
approx how many pounds of push/pull stick force is it at cruise with a runaway trim (with a stock length stick)?
cheers & thx,
Pete
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
Hi! William
................Just don’t shorten the control stick ......use the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Stick Grips
whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim issue please
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
[url=tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744]+57 310 295 0744[/url]
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)>
Bob
Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
Regards
Lance Sandford
On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)>
Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages ! When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:21 am Post subject: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads...... |
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Hi! Tony,
MARK II relay deck was produced by the Menzimer organisation to eliminate a switching reversal problem in the MARK I ...... as I have said in the other message if your panel switch alone in happy using full power it is probable that it doesn’t require a relay to protect it.
I would expect that Menzimers no longer produce the MARK I so no chance of mixing them if you order one.  However ensure that your switch is happy handling full power in regular use.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw
Sent: 10 June 2014 23:43
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Stick Grips Now Runaway Trim control stick Loads......
Hi Bob,
What is the Mk II model no please? Do you know how it is different, other than shape which is a real bitch.
Tony R.
Sent from my iPad
On 11 Jun 2014, at 2:09 am, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
[quote]
Peter.....it is more than you would want for much more than 10 minutes. Please note I have not been talking about a runaway situation. Just a rogue relay deck not reversing until reaching the end of the travel. That has now been rectified by fitting the MARK II relay from Ford Allan /Menzimer organisation.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen
Sent: 10 June 2014 14:30
To: europa-list
Subject: Re: Stick Grips
approx how many pounds of push/pull stick force is it at cruise with a runaway trim (with a stock length stick)?
cheers & thx,
Pete
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
Hi! William
................Just don’t shorten the control stick .....use the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Stick Grips
whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim issue please
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
[url=tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744]+57 310 295 0744[/url]
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)>
Bob
Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.
Regards
Lance Sandford
On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)>
Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages ! When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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