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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

Hi Everyone, 



I just discovered the matronics rv-10 list, and thought I would add my name to the forum. I had been using the search engine for some time, but for some reason, did not realize the list was still active. Some of the names here are pretty familiar to me (especially Tim Olson's) thru builder websites, which are pure gold for newbies like me.



However, while browsing some of the builder sites, I noticed many are adding leading edge lights and wiring conduit while assembling the ribs. I am still countersinking the main spars, but the ribs are next. I do want LE lights and probably wiring conduit.



LE lights. Should I order these now? I am hoping to order with halogen bulbs with the option to upgrade to HID in the future? Should I install the lights along with the ribs?



Conduit. I didn't get any in the kit, and i don't think it's on the parts list. Van's catalog has Nylon wiring conduit as part # DUCT NT5/8, but it says it's included in the wiring kit!? Should I be ordering this too while building the wings?



Fuel caps. Also, has anyone ordered the lockable fuel caps? I was just at Van's a couple weeks ago for a demo flight, and noticed the deluxe and lockable fuel caps on the counter. I wish I had inspected them more carefully, but the upgrade seems nice to have - esp. if it's lockable.



Thank you for the advice!



Jae

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

Jae,  

   

  Welcome.  You will find this is probably the most active RV-10 list on the net and is barely beat out by the main RV List.  Anyway here is some answers to your questions:  

   

<![if !supportLists]>1)  <![endif]>LE Lights (aka Duckworks) can be put in anytime but I did it while I was building the wing and had access without the spar in the way.  I still think this is the best way to go.  

   

<![if !supportLists]>2)  <![endif]>You can pretty much use any old PVC or ABS pipe for conduit, just size it accordingly.  Lowes Depot carries the flexible blue conduit also but that stuff is a bit heavy.  If you can get a hold of some fiber optic ducting, like several of us did, that seems to be the best.  I happened to use some black ABS irrigation pipe I had laying around.  

   

<![if !supportLists]>3)  <![endif]>Nowadays I would opt for the locking fuel caps.  I debated it back then and really wished I would have got them.  I may still add the aftermarket type.  

   

  Hope that helps a little.  

   

Michael Sausen  

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage  

Do Not Archive  

Recent RV-10 Build Activity  

   

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dmasys(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

---- jchang10 <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> wrote: 

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   However, while browsing some of the builder sites, I noticed many are adding leading edge lights and wiring conduit while assembling the ribs. I am still countersinking the main spars, but the ribs are next. I do want LE lights and probably wiring conduit.

 LE lights. Should I order these now? I am hoping to order with halogen bulbs with the option to upgrade to HID in the future? Should I install the lights along with the ribs?


	


I have Duckworks leading edge lights on both wings in my RV-7A and for my $0.02 I don't think they are as good a solution as the wingtip lights in the -10 kit.  Lotsa work to install,  impossible to get a completely smooth surface transition, the lenses are easy to scratch when you are wiping bug hits off the leading edge, and they get whacked with FOD and crack (have one needing replacement currently).   Light dispersion pattern isn't really any better than the wingtip lights if you mount them in either of the 2 most outboard bays.  Other than that they are wonderful .



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		   Conduit. I didn't get any in the kit, and i don't think it's on the parts list. Van's catalog has Nylon wiring conduit as part # DUCT NT5/8, but it says it's included in the wiring kit!? Should I be ordering this too while building the wings?


	


Van's flex conduit is easy to snake around various places, and has the benefit that it will more or less latch itself into a 7/8 inch hole in a rib and not need to be lashed to stay put.  You can order it separately from the web store; no need to get a whole wiring kit to get some.  



YMMV,



-Dan Masys

40448 finish kit & panel.  Autopilot harness just fabricated, installed and it works!

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

jchang10 wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>

 

 Hi Everyone,

 

 I just discovered the matronics rv-10 list, and thought I would add

 my name to the forum. I had been using the search engine for some

 time, but for some reason, did not realize the list was still active.

 Some of the names here are pretty familiar to me (especially Tim

 Olson's) thru builder websites, which are pure gold for newbies like

 me.

 

 However, while browsing some of the builder sites, I noticed many are

 adding leading edge lights and wiring conduit while assembling the

 ribs. I am still countersinking the main spars, but the ribs are

 next. I do want LE lights and probably wiring conduit.

 

 LE lights. Should I order these now? I am hoping to order with

 halogen bulbs with the option to upgrade to HID in the future? Should

 I install the lights along with the ribs?

 


	


Jae,  I think it would be easiest to install them either after

the wing is built, or after the leading edge is built at least.

You could order them, but I wouldn't start installing them

until then.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Conduit. I didn't get any in the kit, and i don't think it's on the

 parts list. Van's catalog has Nylon wiring conduit as part # DUCT

 NT5/8, but it says it's included in the wiring kit!? Should I be

 ordering this too while building the wings?

 


	


I don't know what comes in the wiring kit regarding conduit,

but it's pretty cheap, and it's pretty nice stuff for doing the

wings.  A 25' roll will take care of you.



-Tim



 	  Quote: 	
		   Fuel caps. Also, has anyone ordered the lockable fuel caps? I was

 just at Van's a couple weeks ago for a demo flight, and noticed the

 deluxe and lockable fuel caps on the counter. I wish I had inspected

 them more carefully, but the upgrade seems nice to have - esp. if

 it's lockable.

 

 Thank you for the advice!

 

 Jae

 

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

Dan,



  Did you have the HID lights or just standard halogen for the Duckworks?  I would agree with you on the halogen's but it would be interesting to hear that the stock -10 halogens are better than the HID's.  They throw way more light than any halogen.



  Incidentally, I checked my log and spent 5.5 hours installing both the Duckworks HID and the AOA ports. I also installed the nutplates in the other wing for a second HID light should I want two.  Much easier to put them in ahead of time but you need the template that comes with the kit.



Michael Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

Do Not Archive

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evmeg(at)snowcrest.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

I can tell you my approach....The landing lights I am planning on are the

wing tip mounted type, so I am not buying them until the wings are mounted

to the fuse. I did not run a conduit (I may regret this) but so far I have

had no problems pulling wires through the snap bushing by reaching through

the inspection plates. I can definitively tell you that the lockable deluxe

fuel caps are a good deal. I did not install them on my tanks and I really

wish I had. I have installed them for several clients and they are much

nicer hardware....worth an extra $100.00. Small change in the scope of this

project.

Cheers..

Evan Johnson

www.evansaviationproducts.com

(530)247-0375

(530)351-1776 cell



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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

Thanks everyone for the replies. It's amazing how much one can swing back and forth on some of these options - hopefully, it's not just me! 



It looks like i'll be ordering the conduit from Van's. as far as i can see, it looks like there is plenty of room to drill the conduit holes even after the ribs are riveted.



I am going to have to think some more on the lights, but it sounds like i have time.



Thanks again for the insights!



Jae

dmasys(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

---- "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote: 



 	  Quote: 	
		   Dan,

 

   Did you have the HID lights or just standard halogen for the Duckworks?  I would agree with you on the halogen's but it would be interesting to hear that the stock -10 halogens are better than the HID's.  They throw way more light than any halogen.


	


My -7A has the halogen bulbs; built in 2003 when there was no HID option.



 	  Quote: 	
		     Incidentally, I checked my log and spent 5.5 hours installing both the Duckworks HID and the AOA ports. I also installed the nutplates in the other wing for a second HID light should I want two.  Much easier to put them in ahead of time but you need the template that comes with the kit.


	


The hardest part on the -7A was pulling the lens snugly against the curve of the leading edge while drilling the mounting holes.  Too loose and there is a gap right at the leading edge.  Too tight and your lenses crack in the first hundred flight hours or so.  Been there, done that for both conditions!



-Dan Masys

#40448 finish kit

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

Dan,

I'm not sure if yours is the old or the new style lens and

retainer, but the lens in the new ones isn't drilled

at all, but is kind of floating trapped.  It's not the

easiest to pull the lens in place, but once it's there, it's

probably not going to crack easily, and should be

pretty good.  The only gap is there because of a small

amount of foam seal, but the gap is pretty small.  For

people doing HIDS, the chance that you'll be pulling

the lens to replace a lamp is much much smaller anyway.

So, if you have the old style, you may have had more

troubles.  I heard those cracked lenses all the time.

But, that's the old way.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

Dan Masys wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 ---- "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote:

> Dan,

> 

> Did you have the HID lights or just standard halogen for the

> Duckworks?  I would agree with you on the halogen's but it would be

> interesting to hear that the stock -10 halogens are better than the

> HID's.  They throw way more light than any halogen.

 My -7A has the halogen bulbs; built in 2003 when there was no HID

 option.

> Incidentally, I checked my log and spent 5.5 hours installing both

> the Duckworks HID and the AOA ports. I also installed the nutplates

> in the other wing for a second HID light should I want two.  Much

> easier to put them in ahead of time but you need the template that

> comes with the kit.

 The hardest part on the -7A was pulling the lens snugly against the

 curve of the leading edge while drilling the mounting holes.  Too

 loose and there is a gap right at the leading edge.  Too tight and

 your lenses crack in the first hundred flight hours or so.  Been

 there, done that for both conditions!

 -Dan Masys #40448 finish kit

armywrights(at)adelphia.n
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

Drill the conduit holes before you assemble the wing skeleton!  I at least

doubled the amount of time doing it on the QB wings.  Just not enough easy

clearance for my tools.  



Rob #392

QB Wings



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dennis_mangan(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Drip irrigation tubing 5/8 makes excellent wire channel. it is smooth  inside and out and is extremely lite

  

 Dennis Mangan 

 109DM

 RV-6a

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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

You can also just lay in Van's conduit (or any other) in the "lightning" holes and safety wire them to the bottom of the rib.  Works like a champ.

  

 Grumpy #40404

  

 DO NOT ARCHIVE 

 

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jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.c
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

I drilled out the smaller holes along the rear spar to run my strobe wire -

and keep it away from the other wires in the conduit. This would have been

MUCH easier if the skin were not on yet.  



John Testement

jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com

40321

Richmond, VA

Engine mount and gear

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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions

Hi Jae,



Welcome to the group! Something to think about is the locking gas caps

will only keep the honest ones out. If someone really wants your fuel

they will just pull the drain valve at the bottom of the tank and drain

it into a container.



It also may be worth thinking about running a spare conduit out to the

wing tips. It doesn't add much weight and may come in handy if you

decide to run a wing tip antenna later.



Vern



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