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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

I changed the subject so more people might read the message.
Hoping I will to prevent a repeat for someone else.

There has been some discussion in the past regarding some of the dangers of static
electricity and refueling. Well, I have a story to share. Some of you know
me and know I have been working on this model IV for two years now. Seems like
I started it yesterday. It has been the most rewarding project I have ever been
involved with. I am finished covering and I am in the painting stage now.
I must confess it is much easier than I thought it would be. Just like the poly-fiber
book says, "poly-tone is dead easy". Well, the tail feathers are silver
the fuse is white and today I started painting on the wings. I had one wing
on the rotating fixture in the booth (garage) and was wiping it down with C-2210
to prep for the first spray coat of poly-brush. I could "feel" the static electricity
popping as I wiped the wing as I had felt it numerous times before
in the painting process when all of a sudden, "woof", the rag ignited and I had
a nice fire on my hands. The wing was burning and so was the rag. Luckily, I
blew the fire on the wing out almost instantly (no damage other than some soot
and pride), but the rag was saturated with C-2210 and as I threw it to the floor
it flared up pretty good. I kicked it to the door, got the door open and
stomped it out, but, WOW what a scare. This is my third incident in my life with
static electricity. Y'all be careful out there.
Any input on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated. I am not done painting
yet, but I am a little nervous about wiping down with C-2210. I was using
painters rags from Home Depot (t-shirt type material).


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

I have been preaching a product called static guard for a lot of years
now. It is a product that women use on dresses and the same stuff that
you use around computes. It is at your grocery store. When painting
spray it inside the wing or in whatever you are working on. A ground
wire is also a good idea. It will really help in the painting as static
will mess up the paint and pull everything into the wet paint, and it
might help keep you from blowing it up. If you refuel yourself, spray it
on the funnel, the wing and the gas can before you pour gas.

Brett Walmsley wrote:

Quote:


I changed the subject so more people might read the message.
Hoping I will to prevent a repeat for someone else.

There has been some discussion in the past regarding some of the dangers of static
electricity and refueling. Well, I have a story to share. Some of you know
me and know I have been working on this model IV for two years now. Seems like
I started it yesterday. It has been the most rewarding project I have ever been
involved with. I am finished covering and I am in the painting stage now.
I must confess it is much easier than I thought it would be. Just like the poly-fiber
book says, "poly-tone is dead easy". Well, the tail feathers are silver
the fuse is white and today I started painting on the wings. I had one wing
on the rotating fixture in the booth (garage) and was wiping it down with C-2210
to prep for the first spray coat of poly-brush. I could "feel" the static electricity
popping as I wiped the wing as I had felt it numerous times before
in the painting process when all of a sudden, "woof", the rag ignited and I had
a nice fire on my hands. The wing was burning and so was the rag. Luckily, I
blew the fire on the wing out almost instantly (no damage other than some soot
and pride), but the rag was saturated with C-2210 and as I threw it to the floor
it flared up pretty good. I kicked it to the door, got the door open and
stomped it out, but, WOW what a scare. This is my third incident in my life with
static electricity. Y'all be careful out there.
Any input on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated. I am not done painting
yet, but I am a little nervous about wiping down with C-2210. I was using
painters rags from Home Depot (t-shirt type material).










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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

Hi Brett.

Did you get my response to the first message?
Way below is the response

What is C-2210? Is it water borne or solvent borne?

Be careful with a lot of packaged rags, there could be a blend of nylon,
polyester and cotton.
More chance of static shock in the winter when the humidity is down (under
40% RI) and less chance when there is water in the air. We all know this, we
walk across an office area and get zapped by the door handle. Because the central
air heater is removing even more of the humidity in the office environment.

Actually, the best rag to use would be cotton terry towels. Little chance for
creating static and a wonderfully soft and porous surface to pick up the
sanding sludge and debris.

No matter what rag you use, move slower while wiping the surface with the wet
towel or when using the clean towel to dry off. More speed and the chance for
friction goes up and the chance for depositing a charge goes up.
You want to convert your Kitfox into a Zippo, use mineral spirits or any
solvent degreaser, grab old shirt material (the collar, evening wear type) and
wipe down industriously and you have the makings of a hazard.

If you want something that is really good, we have a product used in our sign
division that is used for cleaning down acrylic and polycarbonate sign faces
before painting. The back lit signs you see at fast food restaurants, gas
stations and that kind of thing. But you will have to get that solvent off a
friendly sign painting shop!
But when painting my IV, I used the home brew of 50 : 50 alcohol and
distilled water. You can use rubbing alcohol from the drug store or IPA, isopropyl
alcohol from Home Depot and the likes.
And if you want the ultimate cloth. Use a real chamois cloth, natural
leather, so no chance of static. This is what they use in the plastic face sign
industry.

Quote:
>Kevin and Brett.
I am very familiar with Anti Static Degreaser, used for plastic and
fiberglass parts, that kind of stuff. I have worked for Akzo Nobel for 27
years.

Quote:
DO NOT USE THE NORMAL SOLVENT DEGREASERS WHEN WIPING DOWN >ANYTHING THAT IS
NYLON, POLYESTER OR FIBERGLASS.

Quote:
Brett.
Go to the local drug counter and purchase a bottle of rubbing alcohol, a

gallon of distilled water and also one of those trigger sprayers.

Mix the alcohol 50 / 50 with distilled water and now you have a very good
static free cleaner.
It is easy to spray on with the pump sprayer and you wipe off/dry off with
some cotton towels (old T shirts). You can use this on plexiglass or anything
you want to clean down. It is not a very good wax remover Kevin, that is why
we
have the Anti Static Degreaser for car repair.

This in fact will be superior to a solvent degreaser to remove the dried out
traces of the wet sanding sludge of the silver Polyspray.
So using the alcohol wipe will not build up electricity = SAFER, and because
you do not charge the surface with static electricity you should have a much
cleaner paint job because the trash will not be attracted by the static
charge.

Quote:
All the best, Eric.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:48 am    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

I'd like to add just a few cents to this. When refueling we often spill a
little gas on the wing and the first thing many of us do is to grab a rag to
wipe it off. Just remember that the act of wiping up the gas can create a
static charge. At least replace the cap first, but it's a good idea to use
Allan's method below to kill any possible buildup.
Deke
Quote:

<aldaniels(at)fmtc.com>

Quote:

I have been preaching a product called static guard for a lot of years
now. It is a product that women use on dresses and the same stuff that
you use around computes. It is at your grocery store. When painting
spray it inside the wing or in whatever you are working on. A ground
wire is also a good idea. It will really help in the painting as static
will mess up the paint and pull everything into the wet paint, and it
might help keep you from blowing it up. If you refuel yourself, spray it
on the funnel, the wing and the gas can before you pour gas.

Brett Walmsley wrote:

>
>
>I changed the subject so more people might read the message.
>Hoping I will to prevent a repeat for someone else.
>
>There has been some discussion in the past regarding some of the dangers
of static

Quote:
>electricity and refueling. Well, I have a story to share. Some of you
know

Quote:
>me and know I have been working on this model IV for two years now. Seems
like

Quote:
>I started it yesterday. It has been the most rewarding project I have
ever been

Quote:
>involved with. I am finished covering and I am in the painting stage now.
>I must confess it is much easier than I thought it would be. Just like
the poly-fiber

Quote:
>book says, "poly-tone is dead easy". Well, the tail feathers are silver
>the fuse is white and today I started painting on the wings. I had one
wing

Quote:
>on the rotating fixture in the booth (garage) and was wiping it down with
C-2210

Quote:
>to prep for the first spray coat of poly-brush. I could "feel" the static
electricity

Quote:
>popping as I wiped the wing as I had felt it numerous times before
>in the painting process when all of a sudden, "woof", the rag ignited and
I had

Quote:
>a nice fire on my hands. The wing was burning and so was the rag.
Luckily, I

Quote:
>blew the fire on the wing out almost instantly (no damage other than some
soot

Quote:
>and pride), but the rag was saturated with C-2210 and as I threw it to
the floor

Quote:
>it flared up pretty good. I kicked it to the door, got the door open and
>stomped it out, but, WOW what a scare. This is my third incident in my
life with

Quote:
>static electricity. Y'all be careful out there.
>Any input on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated. I am not
done painting

Quote:
>yet, but I am a little nervous about wiping down with C-2210. I was using
>painters rags from Home Depot (t-shirt type material).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

Yes, I did get your first message. Thanks
I appreciate your input and will take measures to prevent a recurrence.
C-2210 is a product recommended and sold by the Poly-fiber folks.
They suggest wiping down between spraying coats of their products.
I was using the terry cloth but it had too many pieces left behind.
I am going to 1. slowdown the wiping action and 2. attempt to ground
myself and the work.
Again, thanks for your advice.
Brett

Quote:


Hi Brett.

Did you get my response to the first message?
Way below is the response

What is C-2210? Is it water borne or solvent borne?

Be careful with a lot of packaged rags, there could be a blend of nylon,
polyester and cotton.
More chance of static shock in the winter when the humidity is down (under
40% RI) and less chance when there is water in the air. We all know this,
we
walk across an office area and get zapped by the door handle. Because the
central
air heater is removing even more of the humidity in the office
environment.

Actually, the best rag to use would be cotton terry towels. Little chance
for
creating static and a wonderfully soft and porous surface to pick up the
sanding sludge and debris.

No matter what rag you use, move slower while wiping the surface with the
wet
towel or when using the clean towel to dry off. More speed and the chance
for
friction goes up and the chance for depositing a charge goes up.
You want to convert your Kitfox into a Zippo, use mineral spirits or any
solvent degreaser, grab old shirt material (the collar, evening wear type)
and
wipe down industriously and you have the makings of a hazard.

If you want something that is really good, we have a product used in our
sign
division that is used for cleaning down acrylic and polycarbonate sign
faces
before painting. The back lit signs you see at fast food restaurants, gas
stations and that kind of thing. But you will have to get that solvent off
a
friendly sign painting shop!
But when painting my IV, I used the home brew of 50 : 50 alcohol and
distilled water. You can use rubbing alcohol from the drug store or IPA,
isopropyl
alcohol from Home Depot and the likes.
And if you want the ultimate cloth. Use a real chamois cloth, natural
leather, so no chance of static. This is what they use in the plastic face
sign
industry.

>>Kevin and Brett.
>I am very familiar with Anti Static Degreaser, used for plastic and
>fiberglass parts, that kind of stuff. I have worked for Akzo Nobel for 27
years.
>DO NOT USE THE NORMAL SOLVENT DEGREASERS WHEN WIPING DOWN >ANYTHING THAT
> IS
>NYLON, POLYESTER OR FIBERGLASS.

>Brett.
Go to the local drug counter and purchase a bottle of rubbing alcohol, a
gallon of distilled water and also one of those trigger sprayers.

Mix the alcohol 50 / 50 with distilled water and now you have a very good
static free cleaner.
It is easy to spray on with the pump sprayer and you wipe off/dry off with
some cotton towels (old T shirts). You can use this on plexiglass or
anything
you want to clean down. It is not a very good wax remover Kevin, that is
why
we
have the Anti Static Degreaser for car repair.

This in fact will be superior to a solvent degreaser to remove the dried
out
traces of the wet sanding sludge of the silver Polyspray.
So using the alcohol wipe will not build up electricity = SAFER, and
because
you do not charge the surface with static electricity you should have a
much
cleaner paint job because the trash will not be attracted by the static
charge.

>All the best, Eric.




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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

Quote:
>Yes, I did get your first message. Thanks
I appreciate your input and will take measures to prevent a recurrence.

C-2210 is a product recommended and sold by the Poly-fiber folks.
They suggest wiping down between spraying coats of their products.
I was using the terry cloth but it had too many pieces left behind.
I am going to 1. slowdown the wiping action and 2. attempt to ground
myself and the work.
Again, thanks for your advice.
Quote:
>Brett

Hi Brett.
I went looking for info on the Polyfiber product C-2210 Paint Cleaning
Solvent. Could not find too much info on the PF site, only to use it before the tack
off procedure and paint.
In the Aircraft Spruce catalogue the description shows; "a mild solvent
formulated to remove oil, silicone and wax"
I don't know, but this sound like a mineral based product for it to be able
to cut silicone and wax. I have no idea what it states on the label it probably
states something that will lead us to understand what the product is made of.
If it is mineral based then be careful when using on fabric or any kind of
plastic.
Now of course, as long as you haven't been eating hamburgers while sanding.
You should not have a problem with contaminants like grease, oil and wax.
I have packed my Polyfiber manual away so I dot really know what this C-2210
is.
Try a quick sniff, if it smells kind of like kerosene then watch out.

Cheers Eric.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

I suspect it is toluene (sp?) I am sure it is not kerosene..
I am just trying to follow directions.
This painting stuff is just not my bag. They state in the manual if you able
to read and follow instructions you will get the desired result. So far they
have been correct, except for the fire.... LOL....
I may give them a ring. They really need a caution note in the manual..
Thanks
How's the skybolt coming. I need to pay a visit one day. Say hello to Carin
from Hailey and me.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: I caught my wing on FIRE! Reply with quote

Unless you accumulate contaminates on the surfaces then C2210 isn't needed.
C2210 is really made to remove contaminates from previously painted surfaces
prior to recoating. At least that's what good ole Norm at NormAero told me
some yrs ago.

I have used it on PolyTone surfaces that have set around for quite a while
(months) between coats but that's about it. I wouldn't use it on fresh
surfaces (within a couple of weeks of final coating anyway) as there's no
real need.

Regards,

Ted

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