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tedd(at)vansairforce.org
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 Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: Fwd: Aerobatics |
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Mike:
Van's does indeed recommend "no recreational spins" for the -6, but that
doesn't mean "no spins." Van's specifically recommends that you spin test your
-6 if you're going to do aerobatics, which it sounds like you plan to do.
Since aeros could lead to an inadvertent spin I think that's sound advice, and
they put some guidelines in the plans for doing it.
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Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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kbob(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: Fwd: Aerobatics |
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FYI - I've got a 6A with the standard 'small' tail. I have spun it both
right & left - no big deal. I didn't wind it up, only a turn or 2. That was
enough for me to prove it during testing. I would have no problems doing
recreational spins for a good time.
Get some training if you need to - Mike Seager trained me in Van's 6A serial
#1 (old blue). We looped, rolled and had a ball without stressing out the
plane. It also has the small tail. I have not tried the full hammerhead,
since a tail slide could be nasty. I'm not an aero pilot, just want to know
the limits and actions of the plane.
Kelly Patterson
N716K RV-6A 70 hours
PHX,AZ
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MnwPeeps(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: Fwd: Aerobatics |
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In a message dated 7/17/2006 8:14:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tedd(at)vansairforce.org writes:
| Quote: | Van's does indeed recommend "no recreational spins" for the -6, but that
doesn't mean "no spins." Van's specifically recommends that you spin test your
-6 if you're going to do aerobatics, which it sounds like you plan to do.
Since aeros could lead to an inadvertent spin I think that's sound advice, and
they put some guidelines in the plans for doing it.
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Thx for the reply - but questions remain.
First - by the bye - I've been doing acro in, first, my Navy SNJ throughout the 60s, and, more recently, for six years in my Yak-52. Never once got into an unintentional spin, but then I've never done very sophisticated maneuvers, such as what one sees at an airshow. So....not much likelihood of that. But, anyway...
It seems to me that an airframe would be either suitably constructed to accept spins, or it would not be. If Vans says you can test spin, then why not a recreational spin? Same maneuver. More impotantly, though, is my question as to snap rolls and hammerheads. Doing just rolls and loops (and Cuban 8s, etc.) gets a tad dull after a while. I guess I can get an answer from Vans, if nobody else responds with an answer based on their experience.
Enjoy - Mike
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tedd(at)vansairforce.org
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: Fwd: Aerobatics |
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Mike:
| Quote: | It seems to me that an airframe would be either suitably constructed to
accept spins, or it would not be. If Vans says you can test spin, then why
not a recreational spin? Same maneuver.
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No, it's not a binary choice. Each airframe has a degree of resistance to
entering a spin and a degree of difficulty in recovering (which also vary
according to loading and other parameters). Van said, "We recognized that most
RV-6 pilots would probably not have an extensive aerobatic background, and
could be challenged by recovering from fully developed spins." Hence, no
"recreational" spins. However, a pilot who expects to do aerobatics in the
airplane certainly can, and should, spin test it.
| Quote: | More impotantly, though, is my question as to snap rolls and hammerheads.
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Having snapped rolled a -4, and considering Van's comments on the -6's spin
resistance characteristics (which he says are good), I don't see any problem
snap-rolling a -6. I haven't done a hammerhead in either, though.
Have you read Van's Service Bulletin 02-6-1? It discusses the subject at some
length. Money quote about the -6: "In other words, a conscious effort was
needed to cause intentional spins, so accidental spins were deemed improbable
during normal flight operations, including sport aerobatics."
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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