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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: Part numbers

Gentlemen,

  

 I am in the middle of an annual and would like to  determine the availability and price the following items for various  components;

  

 - For the nose gear retract servo;

 O-ring x 1 - 0309-026

  O-ring x 2 - 0309-114 O-ring x 1 - 0309-216

  

 - Nose gear steering servo;

  O-ring x 1 - 0309-026

  O-ring x 2 - 0309-114  O-ring x 1 - 0309-216

  

 - Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);

  O-ring x 2  - 0309-216





  

 - Uplock activator springs;

 2713103-1 x 2

  

 - Wastegate assembly; 45044-29

  

 - I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray Jay turbo chargers but  would still like to know if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are available.

  

 My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer tanks, I  have not come across any STC information or drawings for this  installation.

 Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?

  

 Thanks in advance.

  

 Tom F.

 C-GISS

 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

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CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Part numbers

In a message dated 19-Jul-06 10:49:03 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:

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		   My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer tanks, I have not come across any STC information or drawings for this installation.

	


 Hi Tom,

  

 Commander-Aero has complete O ring kits for most actuator rebuilds.  I'd give them a call.  888-881-5580

  

 Now, as to the nose and baggage fuel tanks .. Other than ferry tanks or field installed tanks for what we shall politely call special export/import flights, I've never heard of such a thing.

  

 Of course, this is why I hang around this list.  I'm always amazed at the ingenuity this group has when it comes to enhancing their Commander and some of the mods that have ended up on them.

  

 Rubber chickens and the like, you know ...

  

 Wing Commander Gordon

avtec2(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: Part numbers

Tom call me.

 321 267-3141

 Harry

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floydgm(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: Part numbers

Tom,

Talk with Nick Freeman at Aero Air for the o-rings, phone is 800-448-2376. 

They will also have the uplock springs.



The wastegates are hard to come by. If you send the unit to address below 

they will rebuild them for you.



KNISLEY WELDING	1-800-522-6990

3450 SWETZER ROAD

LOOMIS CA.  95650	1-916-652-6257 (Fax)



The turbo hoses are available from:



Firetruck Aviation	Arnold Blankenship   931-729-0007

Talk with Charlene and she will send you a drawing with the hose P/N's then 

select the ones you need from the drawing.



Arnold also has a collection of drawings that came from MR RPM and he may 

have what you need for the fuel tank drawings. He is very busy and it may 

take him a while to find them though.



Mike

Commander NW

tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Part numbers

Thanks for all the response fellows, I will follow up on them and call those 

that suggested I call.



I have a question for those of you that have a 680 FL(P) with the Cleveland 

brakes.

In the wheel wells, someone has removed a section of oil breather pipe and 

replaced it with a flexable hose.

I assume this was done because the Cleveland brakes have what I call wear 

indicators that stick out and currently partially compress the flexable 

hose.  I assume that it restricts the flow a bit but not completely.

The engineers working on the annual want to reroute the hoses but I feel 

that this might have been part of the STC for the brakes.



Any comments?

Is this standard on the other aircraft with this setup?



Thanks again.



Tom F.

C-GISS

680FLP (Mr.RPM)

john(at)vormbaum.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Part numbers

Tom,



I always thought the STC for Cleveland brakes included moving the breather 

pipe from the through-the-wheelwell location to the bottom of the nacelle 

and in the exhaust slipstream? This also eliminates the breather icing over, 

which IIRC happened to Larry Wokral recently, resulting in an engine 

shutdown...



/John

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avtec2(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Part numbers

Get the STC  and it will tel you how to reroute the vent with hose

Harry

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floydgm(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: Part numbers

The MR RPM conversion does away with the breather in the exhaust stream and 

puts it in the cooling air outlet where the cowl flaps used to be located. 

The MR RPM drawing shows the breather in the exhaust stream removed and a 

cover installed.



Mike

Commander NW

tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: Part numbers

Bravo!

Tom F.



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moe(at)rosspistons.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: Part numbers

My understanding is that if you are certified known icing the breather must

go into the exhaust slip stream.  Very effective, but the tops of your

nacelles will always be oily.



Moe

N680RR

680F(p)

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: Part numbers

Again, thanks all for the inputs, need them all.

On the subject of nacelles, has anyone laminated a (removable) thin 

stainless steel shield on the top of the nacelle just behind the exhaust 

outlets?

Seems like an easy task and much easier to clean.



Tom F.

C-GISS

680FLP (Mr.RPM)



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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: Part numbers

Tom,

Air Center has the exhaust gas deflectors as an STC.

http://www.aircenterinc.com/products_deflectors.php

for the flat nacelle Twin Commanders.

Tylor

On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:22 PM, Tom Fisher wrote:



[quote] 

 <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>



 Again, thanks all for the inputs, need them all.

 On the subject of nacelles, has anyone laminated a (removable) thin  

 stainless steel shield on the top of the nacelle just behind the  

 exhaust outlets?

 Seems like an easy task and much easier to clean.



 Tom F.

 C-GISS

 680FLP (Mr.RPM)



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floydgm(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: Part numbers

As part of the MR RPM conversion the engine breather was certified as being 

free from ice accumulation and if the ship was certified known ice before 

the conversion was done. Then it is still certified known ice.



Mike

Commander NW

CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: Part numbers

In a message dated 19-Jul-06 20:25:05 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  On the subject of nacelles, has anyone laminated a (removable) thin 

stainless steel shield on the top of the nacelle just behind the exhaust 

outlets? 	


 Tom,

  

 Not heard of a laminated, removable exhaust shield, but have heard of an all out replacement of the top nacelle skin with stainless.

  

 Wing Commander Gordon

moe(at)rosspistons.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Part numbers

Wing Commander:

  

 Any idea who has the stainless skin, or do we have our mechanics do  it?  My nacelles are getting pretty ragged, and this sounds just  great!

  

 Moe

 N680RR

 680F(p)

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: Part numbers

Hi Tom,

  

 I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n  1497-15, C-GISS, has auxiliary fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand  that such a tank was offered as an optional extra on a new airplane,  but the factory paperwork didn't reflect that it was accomplished at the factory  for your example. It was an auxiliary system comprising 67 gallons  in total, 65 of which was usable. The factory drawing would have been No.  6630214, released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated by Aero Commander  Report No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.

  

 It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was  also offered under an STC, but I haven't found any details.

  

 I have researched the records held for s/n 1497  at the FAA Records Center in Oklahoma City and found nothing to substantiate the  installation of your tank. However, those records obviously do not include any  paperwork originated while the aircraft was under Canadian registry. As it has  been so-registered for over 20 years, could the tank have been installed in  Canada? I don't know, but would imagine that if it was a factory option, it  would be a fairly simple process to get such a modification  effected.

  

 The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I  have not found any paperwork at all relating to such a modification. If you are  able to send me some photographs, I can run this past some of my contacts, who  worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.

  

 Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have  may tell me when a Chamberlain 2001K-B nose radome was installed (STC SA265EA)  and when this was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X one (STC SA458EA).  I know that a 'Miller' nose was installed under SA585SW on May 29th  1974.

  

 As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm the  exact model propellers installed (hub & blade)?

  

 Your help will, naturally, be very much  appreciated.

  

 Very Best Regards,

 Barry

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cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: Part numbers

 Sir Barry,

  

  I was hoping you were monitoring this topic.

  

  I few a 680-F(P) with a "saddle tank" that increased the center tank quantity, but from Tom's description, I thought the baggage area was tanked.

  

  The nose tank fascinates me -- largely because of the Center of Gravity havoc it would cause.

  

  Wing Commander Gordon

  

   

  

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cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: Part numbers

Moe,

  

  This is one of the (many) "Call Morris" answers.

  

  Wing Commander Gordon 

  

   

  

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: Part numbers

The nose tank takes up the entire area exposed when the  top nose cover is removed.

 I holds 22USG and is a "transfer" tank only.  I have  a switch and a light on the panel, there is no gauge at all.  The procedure  is to turn on the (marine) transfer pump for 35 mins. and that fuel will  transfer to the centre tank.

 The baggage transfer tank is set up in the same  manner.  It is located just behind the rear pressure bulkhead on the  baggage floor and holds 45USG.  The transfer pump takes 55 mins. to  transfer the fuel to the centre tank.

 All of this gives this aircraft an endurance of 7  hours, the log book shows every single entry is greater than 6 hours day  after day after day.

  

 I will take some images of the tanks and try the new  ability to Email them to this site.

  

 Tom F.

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Kamala(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: Part numbers

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  wcg, ditto for 2001M. mason

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