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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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Dave'
I am so sorry for your engine out. Praise the Lord that you are safe. Thank
you for your testimony as I too am a Christian. Lord willing I will be making
my 1st flight in N701ZX a 701 with a Rotax 912S tomorrow. What was the engine
out glide like? Did you have much range? Could it have been icing?
God Bless
Bob Spudis
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In a message dated 1/18/2006 9:28:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
z4t143(at)hotmail.com writes:
My Friends and Family -
Today was the day we pilots all anticipate, but are never really ready for.
At 4000 ft and 3-5 miles east of Greensfield, Crosswind N143ZT lost all fuel
pressure and the engine stopped. Although I could see the airport, I was too
far to make the runway and had to select a field.
After selecting the field, I tried to start the engine several times, changed
fuel tanks, turned on the electric fuel pump, followed all the procedures,
but still no fuel pressure, and hence, no fuel to the engine.
Unfortunately, there was a tree row at the edge of the field and power lines
above the trees, which I didn't see until it was too late, I chose the trees
instead of the power line.
The result was that I walked away without a scratch (a miracle), but
Crosswind is ... well see for yourself.
In case you're wondering, there was plenty of fuel still on the plane and
after I collected my thoughts, I tried the fuel pump again on the ground and it
produced fuel pressure. Additional investigation will hopefully define what
caused the original problem.
Following is a copy of some text from our website and the reason that we call
our plane "Crosswind". Today, I am convinced that "Cross Control" was in
full force:
"Cross Control" is a technique that some pilots use to keep the nose of the
airplane pointed straight down the runway when the wind is trying to blow the
plane off course. Dropping the windward wing and applying opposite rudder
feels un-natural at first, but with practice becomes a technique that pilots trust
in to bring them a perfect landing even during rough weather. Our family
applies another form of "Cross Control" to hold course even when winds of life
try to blow us away from our intended direction. We use the Cross of Jesus
Christ.
-DTBR
Life is filled with peaks and valleys. Our reaction to each defines who we
are. This past week I have had both, peaks and valleys. I have been defined
by the name that was given to me at my Baptism. I am a Christian. Today,
Christ was there to protect my body. Although my spirit is bruised by this
disappointment, He is here now and will be here in the future to carry me through
this disappointment and on to new mountain top experiences.
Dave
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d3dw(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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I'm glad you are okay!!
That is most certainly a reason for gratitude and reflection. Been there, twice.
----- "Although my spirit is bruised by this" -----
BUT, I don't think the spirit gets bruised...though egos do.
However, your writing is technically pretty good. I bet you had a nicely built plane. That is a bummer. don
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From: Dave Zilz<mailto:z4t143(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight
My Friends and Family -
Today was the day we pilots all anticipate, but are never really ready for.
At 4000 ft and 3-5 miles east of Greensfield, Crosswind N143ZT lost all fuel pressure and the engine stopped. Although I could see the airport, I was too far to make the runway and had to select a field.
After selecting the field, I tried to start the engine several times, changed fuel tanks, turned on the electric fuel pump, followed all the procedures, but still no fuel pressure, and hence, no fuel to the engine.
Unfortunately, there was a tree row at the edge of the field and power lines above the trees, which I didn't see until it was too late, I chose the trees instead of the power line.
The result was that I walked away without a scratch (a miracle), but Crosswind is ... well see for yourself.
In case you're wondering, there was plenty of fuel still on the plane and after I collected my thoughts, I tried the fuel pump again on the ground and it produced fuel pressure. Additional investigation will hopefully define what caused the original problem.
Following is a copy of some text from our website and the reason that we call our plane "Crosswind". Today, I am convinced that "Cross Control" was in full force:
"Cross Control" is a technique that some pilots use to keep the nose of the airplane pointed straight down the runway when the wind is trying to blow the plane off course. Dropping the windward wing and applying opposite rudder feels un-natural at first, but with practice becomes a technique that pilots trust in to bring them a perfect landing even during rough weather. Our family applies another form of "Cross Control" to hold course even when winds of life try to blow us away from our intended direction. We use the Cross of Jesus Christ.
-DTBR
Life is filled with peaks and valleys. Our reaction to each defines who we are. This past week I have had both, peaks and valleys. I have been defined by the name that was given to me at my Baptism. I am a Christian. Today, Christ was there to protect my body. Although my spirit is bruised by this disappointment, He is here now and will be here in the future to carry me through this disappointment and on to new mountain top experiences.
Dave
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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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Wow Dave, I am so glad your OK.
Of course here come the "Monday morning quarterbacks" but we all really
want to know what went wrong.
If I may here are a few thoughts for your investigation....After getting
over your amazement at still being alive...
What engine was this and did it have a mechanical fuel pump?
Was just the mechanical pump runing at the time of fuel pressure loss?
I presume the electric pump ran when you turned it on?
Where in the system was the electric pump?
OK...my first suspicion is that you had a blocked vent tube to your
tanks...Do you have one vent for each tank?
Did you vapour lock the mechanical pump?.....If the electric pump is
near the firewall you could have vapour locked that too...The argument
being that say you had a restriction in the fuel supply...sucked on the
fuel with the mechanical pump, boiled the fuel and essentially filled
the supply line with vapour....It is feasable that when you switched
tanks, the pumps could not purge the vapour from the lines.
How about an air leak to the supply side of the pumps doing a similar
thing?
Anyway, just a thought and is partly why I'm keen on getting pumps close
to the source. i.e tanks to avoid sucking on fuel.
All the best
Frank
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moorecomp(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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Dave,
I read your post and was saddened by Crosswinds
incident. I was also joyed by the love you have for
Christ and the willingness to share with us. As I have
followed the list, I have visited your website and saw
the progress that was made on your project. From the
beginning, it was evident that Crosswind was a family
project and was bringing much joy and togetherness to
your family. We do not know why God allows things to
happen, but we should never question his methods. We
see only a small part of the big picture and cannot
comprehend it all. If it was only to have time
together and memories to share, it is more than we
deserve. I will be praying for you and your family and
wish you the best, whatever you decide to do.
Hopefully, Crosswind will take you to the air again.
Please keep us informed as to the findings.
In Christ,
Craig Moore
| Quote: | My Friends and Family -
Today was the day we pilots all anticipate, but are
never really ready for.
At 4000 ft and 3-5 miles east of Greensfield,
Crosswind N143ZT lost all fuel
pressure and the engine stopped. Although I could
see the airport, I was too
far to make the runway and had to select a field.
After selecting the field, I tried to start the
engine several times, changed
fuel tanks, turned on the electric fuel pump,
followed all the procedures,
but still no fuel pressure, and hence, no fuel to
the engine.
Unfortunately, there was a tree row at the edge of
the field and power lines
above the trees, which I didn't see until it was too
late, I chose the trees
instead of the power line.
The result was that I walked away without a scratch
(a miracle), but
Crosswind is ... well see for yourself.
In case you're wondering, there was plenty of fuel
still on the plane and
after I collected my thoughts, I tried the fuel pump
again on the ground and it
produced fuel pressure. Additional investigation
will hopefully define what
caused the original problem.
Following is a copy of some text from our website
and the reason that we call
our plane "Crosswind". Today, I am convinced that
"Cross Control" was in
full force:
"Cross Control" is a technique that some pilots use
to keep the nose of the
airplane pointed straight down the runway when the
wind is trying to blow the
plane off course. Dropping the windward wing and
applying opposite rudder
feels un-natural at first, but with practice becomes
a technique that pilots trust
in to bring them a perfect landing even during rough
weather. Our family
applies another form of "Cross Control" to hold
course even when winds of life
try to blow us away from our intended direction. We
use the Cross of Jesus
Christ.
-DTBR
Life is filled with peaks and valleys. Our reaction
to each defines who we
are. This past week I have had both, peaks and
valleys. I have been defined
by the name that was given to me at my Baptism. I
am a Christian. Today,
Christ was there to protect my body. Although my
spirit is bruised by this
disappointment, He is here now and will be here in
the future to carry me through
this disappointment and on to new mountain top
experiences.
Dave
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jean-paul.roy4(at)tlb.sym
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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Dave, it is sooo sad these things happen. I read that you were at 4000. That
altitude should have give you plenty of time to plan choose a good landing
spot.
For the time being, let's forget about what went wrong in the system.You
will have all kinds of time to figure it all.
You're at 4000 and the engine quits. This is no time to find what's wrong,
it is time to find a suitable spot to land the baby without harming it. And
the general rule of thumb applies here: FLY THE PLANE whatever happens.
This what you probably did; but you were short on final and hit a tree.
Looking at your pictures, I can see a nice and long flat field BEHIND your
airplane.
I wonder if it would have been more suitable instead.
I'm not pointing finger at no one (I know when I point a finger, I've got 3
pointing at myself).
Thank you and best of luck
Jean-Paul
| Quote: | > My Friends and Family -
>
> Today was the day we pilots all anticipate, but are
> never really ready for.
>
> At 4000 ft and 3-5 miles east of Greensfield,
> Crosswind N143ZT lost all fuel
> pressure and the engine stopped. Although I could
> see the airport, I was too
> far to make the runway and had to select a field.
>
> After selecting the field, I tried to start the
> engine several times, changed
> fuel tanks, turned on the electric fuel pump,
> followed all the procedures,
> but still no fuel pressure, and hence, no fuel to
> the engine.
>
> Unfortunately, there was a tree row at the edge of
> the field and power lines
> above the trees, which I didn't see until it was too
> late, I chose the trees
> instead of the power line.
>
> The result was that I walked away without a scratch
> (a miracle), but
> Crosswind is ... well see for yourself.
>
> In case you're wondering, there was plenty of fuel
> still on the plane and
> after I collected my thoughts, I tried the fuel pump
> again on the ground and it
> produced fuel pressure. Additional investigation
> will hopefully define what
> caused the original problem.
>
> Following is a copy of some text from our website
> and the reason that we call
> our plane "Crosswind". Today, I am convinced that
> "Cross Control" was in
> full force:
>
> "Cross Control" is a technique that some pilots use
> to keep the nose of the
> airplane pointed straight down the runway when the
> wind is trying to blow the
> plane off course. Dropping the windward wing and
> applying opposite rudder
> feels un-natural at first, but with practice becomes
> a technique that pilots trust
> in to bring them a perfect landing even during rough
> weather. Our family
> applies another form of "Cross Control" to hold
> course even when winds of life
> try to blow us away from our intended direction. We
> use the Cross of Jesus
> Christ.
> -DTBR
>
>
> Life is filled with peaks and valleys. Our reaction
> to each defines who we
> are. This past week I have had both, peaks and
> valleys. I have been defined
> by the name that was given to me at my Baptism. I
> am a Christian. Today,
> Christ was there to protect my body. Although my
> spirit is bruised by this
> disappointment, He is here now and will be here in
> the future to carry me through
> this disappointment and on to new mountain top
> experiences.
>
> Dave
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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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Where did you see the pictures?
In a message dated 1/19/2006 5:28:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jean-paul.roy4(at)tlb.sympatico.ca writes:
Looking at your pictures, I can see a nice and long flat field BEHIND your
airplane.
I wonder if it would have been more suitable instead.
I'm not pointing finger at no one (I know when I point a finger, I've got 3
pointing at myself).
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bryanmmartin
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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Maybe the fuel tank vent is plugged, no air getting in to replace the fuel
volume used.
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on 1/18/06 9:25 PM, Dave Zilz at z4t143(at)hotmail.com wrote:
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At 4000 ft and 3-5 miles east of Greensfield, Crosswind N143ZT lost all fuel
pressure and the engine stopped. Although I could see the airport, I was too
far to make the runway and had to select a field.
After selecting the field, I tried to start the engine several times, changed
fuel tanks, turned on the electric fuel pump, followed all the procedures, but
still no fuel pressure, and hence, no fuel to the engine.
In case you're wondering, there was plenty of fuel still on the plane and
after I collected my thoughts, I tried the fuel pump again on the ground and
it produced fuel pressure. Additional investigation will hopefully define
what caused the original problem.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Crosswind - The Last Flight |
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So happy to hear that you walked away without harm.
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