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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

Darn, I forgot to order my data plate and nameplate, along with

fuel quantity and type stickers.



I've got 2 questions:



If someone is home today near their wings, can I get a measurement

on the size of the hole around the fuel caps?  I'm going to go

get some vinyl cut letters that say "100 LL - 60 US Gal" cut in

an arc around the fuel opening.  I'd like to make the arc of the

letters only about 1/4 to 1/2" larger than the arc of the opening.



As for the dataplate, I know the regs require only this:

Per FAR 45.13 "Identification data" all that is required on the 

(fireproof) data plate is (1) Builder's name, (2) Model designation, and 

(3) Builder's serial number.



What about the nameplate?

I'm talking about this one at ACS  p/n 09-33200

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf



They have fields for:

Model:

Serial No.:

Empty Wt.:

Date of Mfg.:

Gross Wt.:

Engine:

H.P.:

Built by

Name:

Address:

City/State:



How much of that is required info?  I don't have an empty wt. yet,

but if it wasn't required, I would just skip it.



Almost done in the cockpit, so it's some finishing touches

on the engine, wiring, doors, and then maybe wheel pants and

then it's going to the airport.

Tim

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

Tim, just went out and measured, the diameter of the fuel cap opening in 

wing is  2 5/16" diameter.



Deems Davis # 406

Wings

http://deemsrv10.com/



Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Darn, I forgot to order my data plate and nameplate, along with

 fuel quantity and type stickers.



 I've got 2 questions:



 If someone is home today near their wings, can I get a measurement

 on the size of the hole around the fuel caps?  I'm going to go

 get some vinyl cut letters that say "100 LL - 60 US Gal" cut in

 an arc around the fuel opening.  I'd like to make the arc of the

 letters only about 1/4 to 1/2" larger than the arc of the opening.



 As for the dataplate, I know the regs require only this:

 Per FAR 45.13 "Identification data" all that is required on the 

 (fireproof) data plate is (1) Builder's name, (2) Model designation, 

 and (3) Builder's serial number.



 What about the nameplate?

 I'm talking about this one at ACS  p/n 09-33200

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf



 They have fields for:

 Model:

 Serial No.:

 Empty Wt.:

 Date of Mfg.:

 Gross Wt.:

 Engine:

 H.P.:

 Built by

 Name:

 Address:

 City/State:



 How much of that is required info?  I don't have an empty wt. yet,

 but if it wasn't required, I would just skip it.



 Almost done in the cockpit, so it's some finishing touches

 on the engine, wiring, doors, and then maybe wheel pants and

 then it's going to the airport.

 Tim

LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

Tim,

I believe you want the volume of each tank identified by the fuel 

opening "30 U.S. Gal.  100 LL" not the volume of both tanks.



Another option in lieu of vinyl cut letters is to have the fuel cap 

engraved.  Dan C did it that way.  He used Bill Esther.  Here is the 

link to the fuel caps on Dan's site 

<http://www.rvproject.com/esther_engraving.html>



Another engraving source is here 

<http://www.engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm> they have both fuel caps 

and data plates and other engraved products.



Vans has a "Vans Air force" data plate.  But you probably already know that.



Larry Rosen

<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>



Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 ...  I'm going to go

 get some vinyl cut letters that say "100 LL - 60 US Gal" cut in



 As for the dataplate, I know the regs require only this:

 ...

 I'm talking about this one at ACS  p/n 09-33200

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf



 ...

 Tim

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

There's no requirement for labeling the fuel cap, is there?  My

understanding was there was just the requirement for labeling the fuel

selector inside.  I guess I could go look that up . . .



TDT

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

Good point.  I actually drew it up that way but when I wrote the

email I messed up my thinking again.  Yes...30 per side.

I think the engraving would be perfect...I just want to get

the vinyl for now because it's temporary and quick.  I

don't want to send out the fuel caps and have a delay on flying.

Plus, my caps are currently painted and would need stripping.

Yep, I did know about the VAF data plate.  I actually think

I'll maybe get the aircraft spruce version instead,

p/n   09-40000 	AIRCRAFT ID PLATE EXPERIMENTAL from Aircraft

Spruce.  It's 1x3" and doesn't have places for the fields

that I wouldn't want to fill.  My main concern right now is

finding which place I can order from who includes engraving

and can ship it out relatively quickly.

The name plate though, I think is a separate requirement, inside

the cockpit, right?  So that's the one that I'm worried

most about today.  Can't figure out what that one all requires.

Tim Olson -- RV-10  #40170

DO NOT ARCHIVE

Larry Rosen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Tim,

 I believe you want the volume of each tank identified by the fuel 

 opening "30 U.S. Gal.  100 LL" not the volume of both tanks.

 Another option in lieu of vinyl cut letters is to have the fuel cap 

 engraved.  Dan C did it that way.  He used Bill Esther.  Here is the 

 link to the fuel caps on Dan's site 

 <http://www.rvproject.com/esther_engraving.html>

 Another engraving source is here 

 <http://www.engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm> they have both fuel caps 

 and data plates and other engraved products.

 Vans has a "Vans Air force" data plate.  But you probably already know 

 that.

 Larry Rosen

 <http://lrosen.nerv10.com>

 Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> ...  I'm going to go

> get some vinyl cut letters that say "100 LL - 60 US Gal" cut in

>

> As for the dataplate, I know the regs require only this:

> ...

> I'm talking about this one at ACS  p/n 09-33200

> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06348.pdf

>

> ...

> Tim

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

I'm not 100% sure it's a requirment or not, but I believe that it's

one of the things the inspectors look for.  A label near the fuel

filler opening (or on the cap) that says the quantity and type

of fuel.  Makes sense, since fuel related problems are one of the

largest causes of accidents.  I know in my Beech, the POH actually

had pages with all of the required placards on it, and they

had a nice one that went by the filler necks.



I attached what I plan to use.  Randy or one of the other people

flying may be able to tell you what they found/heard.

Tim





Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:

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 There's no requirement for labeling the fuel cap, is there?  My

 understanding was there was just the requirement for labeling the fuel

 selector inside.  I guess I could go look that up . . .

 

 TDT

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wayne(at)engravers.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

Tim,



Try http://engravers.net/aircraft/fuel_caps.htm to see if you would prefer 

to have the fuel caps engraved directly.

Wayne Cahoon

Aircraft Engravers

(860) 653-2780

(860) 653-7324 Fax

http://www.engravers.net

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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

I just had a DAR inspection on my Zenith, he wanted fuel quantity and type at the filler opening of each tank and also a fuel quantity label at my gauges. For those not using gauges and using the engine monitor there must be a way of showing the quantity. I. D. Data plate does not require empty weight.

  

 Bob Spudis

  

  

 In a message dated 1/19/2006 11:55:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I'm not 100% sure it's a requirment or not, but I believe that it's

one of the things the inspectors look for.  A label near the fuel

filler opening (or on the cap) that says the quantity and type

of fuel.  Makes sense, since fuel related problems are one of the

largest causes of accidents.  I know in my Beech, the POH actually

had pages with all of the required placards on it, and they

had a nice one that went by the filler necks.



I attached what I plan to use.  Randy or one of the other people

flying may be able to tell you what they found/heard.

Tim

armywrights(at)adelphia.n
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

Well, let's see.  It's an experimental airplane:  

Empty Wt can change depending on installed components

Gross Wt can change if you include mods that allow (tip tanks, etc) for it.

Engine/H.P. _could_ change in the future

Address/City/State:  You _could_ move or base somewhere else.



Granted, some of the above might precipitate a new Phase I for flight

characteristic changes, but as an OBAM, you know you're not bound to a TC.



I'd only include the required plus any item that you _know_ won't change.

Date of Manuf. could be a good one.



Rob



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Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: Fuel Label / Placards

You could do something like this instead.  I did this on my

RV-9A and also had the N number on it in the middle.





Thank You

Ray Doerr

40250



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