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ofd725(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: Paint

I am starting to plan for the painting of my S7. I have read the Polyfiber manual completely and am wondering what kind of success everyone else has had using this method. What kind of process would you guys recomend to paint the aluminum and fiberglass? I am going to use a Polytone paint. How much is required to do the job?

   

  Thanks,  

  Gary Olson 



			

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roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: Paint

Gary I have just painted my fuselage with polytone white.  Very easy to use 

and white covers well. I don't think I'll make the tail group and wings on 

this gallon, but expect two will be plenty.  My lemon yellow graphics were 

taped, sprayed, and unmasked in three hours easy. One quart will do graphics 

on mine. Remember you can always spray more after a few minutes dry time, 

but runs are a pain.  I used Dupont Nasson automotive urethane for my cowl 

and will use it on all metal.  Ron NB Or

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		  From: Gary Olson <ofd725(at)yahoo.com>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: Builder Hotline <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Paint

Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:30:17 -0800 (PST)






How much is required to do the job?
	


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   Thanks,

   Gary Olson

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FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: Paint

Ron,



You got two cross-coats with 1 gallon of Polytone??



Sounds to me like your coverage is a little thin.  

Using HVLP, a top or bottom of one wing will use just 

shy of a quart for 1 cross-coat and PolyFiber 

recommends two cross-coats for typical coverage.  

Which would be ~ two gallons just to do two wings.  

Figure about 4 gallons or so of Polytone at least to 

do a Kitfox.



Regards,



Ted



--- Original Message ---

From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Paint



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<roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com>
	


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Gary I have just painted my fuselage with polytone 

white.  Very easy to use 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  and white covers well. I don't think I'll make the 

tail group and wings on 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  this gallon, but expect two will be plenty.  My 

lemon yellow graphics were 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  taped, sprayed, and unmasked in three hours easy. 

One quart will do graphics 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  on mine. Remember you can always spray more after a 

few minutes dry time, 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  but runs are a pain.  I used Dupont Nasson 

automotive urethane for my cowl 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  and will use it on all metal.  Ron NB Or

do not archive



>From: Gary Olson <ofd725(at)yahoo.com>

>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

>To: Builder Hotline <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

>Subject: Paint

>Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:30:17 -0800 (PST)

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<ofd725(at)yahoo.com>
	


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How much is required to do the job?

>

>   Thanks,

>   Gary Olson

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>  Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get 

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Brett Walmsley

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Savannah, GA

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: Paint

I am almost done.

Going to be pretty close to:

6 gal poly brush (1 brush 2 cross)

6 gal poly spray (3 cross)

6 gal ins. white poly tone (3 cross)

used 8500 reducer. HVLP gun.

very happy with results.

Easy.

Watch out for static electricity.

Regards

Smokey in Georgia



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roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: Paint

Ouch! the wings are gonna hurt.  Ron NB Or

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		  From: "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net>

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To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>, <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Paint

Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:09:01 -0500






Ron,



You got two cross-coats with 1 gallon of Polytone??



Sounds to me like your coverage is a little thin.

Using HVLP, a top or bottom of one wing will use just

shy of a quart for 1 cross-coat and PolyFiber

recommends two cross-coats for typical coverage.

Which would be ~ two gallons just to do two wings.

Figure about 4 gallons or so of Polytone at least to

do a Kitfox.



Regards,



Ted



--- Original Message ---

From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Paint



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<roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com>

 >

 >Gary I have just painted my fuselage with polytone

white.  Very easy to use

 >and white covers well. I don't think I'll make the

tail group and wings on

 >this gallon, but expect two will be plenty.  My

lemon yellow graphics were

 >taped, sprayed, and unmasked in three hours easy.

One quart will do graphics

 >on mine. Remember you can always spray more after a

few minutes dry time,

 >but runs are a pain.  I used Dupont Nasson

automotive urethane for my cowl

 >and will use it on all metal.  Ron NB Or

 >do not archive

 >

 >>From: Gary Olson <ofd725(at)yahoo.com>

 >>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 >>To: Builder Hotline <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

 >>Subject: Paint

 >>Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:30:17 -0800 (PST)

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 >How much is required to do the job?

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 >>   Thanks,

 >>   Gary Olson

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 >>ASAP.

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shericom(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: Paint

Hi Smokey, I've just read your post and since I will

be ready to paint my M4 Speedster in the spring I have

a question or two for you. What model is your kit, and

what type of HLVP unit did you use, was it a complete

system or just a gun using a standard air compressor.

I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only

need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even

exists)

Any comments you may have would be a great help.  Don

Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada.

--- Brett Walmsley <N93HJ(at)numail.org> wrote:

[quote] 

 <N93HJ(at)numail.org>

 

 I am almost done.

 Going to be pretty close to:

 6 gal poly brush (1 brush 2 cross)

 6 gal poly spray (3 cross)

 6 gal ins. white poly tone (3 cross)

 used 8500 reducer. HVLP gun.

 very happy with results.

 Easy.

 Watch out for static electricity.

 Regards

 Smokey in Georgia

 

 First time for me covering and painting.

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Brett Walmsley

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 47
Location: Savannah, GA

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: Paint

My kit is a M4 long wing with all the speedster mods.

The gun is a porter-cable PSH1 w/ standard nozzle (ebay $45) (I they are 

over a hundred new)(many companies have similar models)

It is just a gun with the 20 oz. tank on top. Running a 22# +-.

Works real nice for me. I am NOT a painter.

One piece of advice I would give, would be to not over think the process. 

It's just not that complicated.

The poly process is just like they say, "dead easy".

p.s. Watch out for static electricity 

Regards, Brett (smokey or sparky, I've heard em all since I tried to burn my 

airplane up)



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bnn(at)nethere.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: Paint

At 09:11 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only

need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even

exists)

Any comments you may have would be a great help.  Don

Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada.


	


I use the Husky HVLP gun and it seems to work well. However, if I had to do 

it all over again I'd buy a more expensive professional gun. The Husky is a 

pain to clean completely and I'm beginning to think cleaning it causes more 

wear and tear than use. I recently had to rebuild the internals because 

some had simply worn out from assembly/ disassembly. (In particular, the 

air cap started leaking; a bad thing for an air gun.) I'd like to find a 

gun that's made to be used and cleaned daily over a long period of time.



gun. I installed both a water separator and then a dryer in line. I've 

never seen water in the separator so I think that was a waste of effort. 

Here in San Diego the dryer works hard. I bought a really large one, (the 

bowl is about 10" long and 4" diameter,) so I'd be able to do a lot of 

paint without having to dry the agent.



2) is a pressure regulator at the gun. I run 90 psi to the gun and then 

between 25 and 40 psi at the gun. I like this system a lot better than 

using the compressor's regulator since there are no line losses.

Guy

eccles(at)Chartermi.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: Paint

Hey guys

jumping in with my two cents , what kind of paint are you spraying aerothane

or polytone for the final coats?



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shericom(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Paint

Polytone when I get to that point, Don

--- eccles <eccles(at)Chartermi.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 <eccles(at)chartermi.net>

 

 Hey guys

 jumping in with my two cents , what kind of paint

 are you spraying aerothane

 or polytone for the final coats?

 

 --

aldaniels(at)fmtc.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: Paint

If you are getting water when you spray, even using a water separator 

there is a trick. This usually happens when you spray a lot and the 

compressor and the air gets hot. The water does not come out of the air 

till it cools, like coming out of the gun. I got an extra hose and 

coiled most of it in a bucket of ice water, then put my water trap after 

that hose. This cools the air so the trap can take it out. I like the 

Sharp gun. Remember that the size of the tip is critical, so match it to 

what you are spraying. Any of the Poly stuff you can use a 1.5 or primer 

type gun, but urethane requires a smaller tip.

Guy Buchanan wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

At 09:11 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote:

>I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only

>need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even

>exists)

>Any comments you may have would be a great help.  Don

>Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada.

>    

>

I use the Husky HVLP gun and it seems to work well. However, if I had to do 

it all over again I'd buy a more expensive professional gun. The Husky is a 

pain to clean completely and I'm beginning to think cleaning it causes more 

wear and tear than use. I recently had to rebuild the internals because 

some had simply worn out from assembly/ disassembly. (In particular, the 

air cap started leaking; a bad thing for an air gun.) I'd like to find a 

gun that's made to be used and cleaned daily over a long period of time.

gun. I installed both a water separator and then a dryer in line. I've 

never seen water in the separator so I think that was a waste of effort. 

Here in San Diego the dryer works hard. I bought a really large one, (the 

bowl is about 10" long and 4" diameter,) so I'd be able to do a lot of 

paint without having to dry the agent.

2) is a pressure regulator at the gun. I run 90 psi to the gun and then 

between 25 and 40 psi at the gun. I like this system a lot better than 

using the compressor's regulator since there are no line losses.

Guy

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: Paint

I used the Polyfiber products throughout, with their enamel for the 

metal and f'glas parts. The enamel must be shot over their epoxy 

primer. In the case of my flaperon horn brackets, I got this advice: 

Shoot the brackets with epoxy primer, then while it is still wet, shoot 

with polybrush.  Shooting into the wet primer makes a transition from 

the epoxy primer to the polybrush, and eventually the polyspray, and 

finally the polytone. I chose to do this because I wanted to rivet the 

brackets on before shooting anything on my wings, so that my brackets 

would be a matching color, and the rivet heads would be painted. I've 

seen too many that were riveted on after painting and they don't look 

so good.



Lynn

On Friday, January 20, 2006, at 05:30  PM, Gary Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I am starting to plan for the painting of my S7. I have read the 

 Polyfiber manual completely and am wondering what kind of success 

 everyone else has had using this method. What kind of process would 

 you guys recomend to paint the aluminum and fiberglass? I am going to 

 use a Polytone paint. How much is required to do the job?



   Thanks,

   Gary Olson



 			

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  Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your 

 hands ASAP.

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: Paint

Don-

I bought an HVLP conversion gun through F&M Enterprises, who were the 

Polyfiber people several years ago out in El Toro, CA. This gun uses a 

regular air compressor but you regulate it down to 10 psi. It worked 

beautifully for shooting my plane. It has a hopper/gravity feed and 

holds about 20 oz. I bought it when I was living in California back in 

about 2000. My gun is a model 38308 by Central Pneumatic, and was 

distributed by Harbor Freight Tools. Cost was about $70. There are 

probably others out there by now. The beauty of it is you use up every 

drop of paint in the hopper, and if you run short pour in another ounce 

and finish the job.



Lynn



On Saturday, January 21, 2006, at 12:11  PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <shericom(at)rogers.com>



 Hi Smokey, I've just read your post and since I will

 be ready to paint my M4 Speedster in the spring I have

 a question or two for you. What model is your kit, and

 what type of HLVP unit did you use, was it a complete

 system or just a gun using a standard air compressor.

 I have a large compressor and am not sure if I only

 need to purchase a HVLP gun (if such a thing even

 exists)

 Any comments you may have would be a great help.  Don

 Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada.

 --- Brett Walmsley <N93HJ(at)numail.org> wrote:

_________________
Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Brett Walmsley

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 47
Location: Savannah, GA

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: Paint

poly-tone



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Model IV 1200/912UL

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