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wv4i(at)bellsouth.net
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 Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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Part 43 does not apply to experimental aircraft. Please see FAR 43.1(b).
www.EAA.org has some excellent Q&A re owner/3rd party performed
maintenance, etc., who can do what, etc..
Pitot static, xpdr, mode C checks re flights under IFR or otherwise,
i.e. where these systems are used as applicable. See FAR 91.411, 91.413,
et al. These sections are applicable whether aircraft is experimental or
not.
Link Mcgarity
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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Try and sell that to the FAA. I suppose that if the experimental aircraft
wants to stay out of controlled airspace (Class A,B,C.D, airways, etc.) ,
then you can fly IFR/VFR in uncontrolled airspace (mostly below 800 AGL and
outside ABCD, etc) without a static check and transponder check. It is true
that the inspections and authorizations of Part 43 do not apply to
experimental but you will comparable limitations defined in your operating
limitations.
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texak1974(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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David,
I recently decided against the RV-10 as the plane I'm going to build.
I'm trying to figure out how to get off of the automatic message board.
Could you help me out? BTW, I'm going with the RV-7 instead.
Thanks,
Keith
On 9/27/06, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote: [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
Try and sell that to the FAA. I suppose that if the experimental aircraft
wants to stay out of controlled airspace (Class A,B,C.D, airways, etc.) ,
then you can fly IFR/VFR in uncontrolled airspace (mostly below 800 AGL and
outside ABCD, etc) without a static check and transponder check. It is true
that the inspections and authorizations of Part 43 do not apply to
experimental but you will comparable limitations defined in your operating
limitations.
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:33 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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Although portions apply specifically to Certificated (TC) Aircraft, you
are mistaken to believe that none of the FAR 43 applies to Owner Built
and Maintained Aircraft. Knowledge to this error is most important in
building and operating a safe aircraft. To operate otherwise gives a
false perception to conscientious builders.
You might do some additional research on the subject.
The wildest part of the Wild West is the similar attitude with foreign
built warbirds which are Certificated under Experimental Exhibition -
Warbird.
When completed, the RV-10 will be Certificated Experimental Amateur
Built, with an appropriately applied Airworthiness Certificate which is
valid only while and if you correctly maintain said aircraft.
John Cox
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jack.lockamy(at)navy.mil
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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Look for another avionics shop technician that brings his portable test equipment to YOU!
With portable test equipment, the technician only has to connect a line to your pitot tube, a suction cup over static port(s), and a small antenna near your transponder antenna to perform the certification test.
Last test cost me approx. $175 and was accomplished at MY hangar....
Jack Lockamy
RV-7A N174JL 240 hrs
Camarillo, CA
RV-10 lurker
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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Jack,
Who at Camarillo performed your test? Blue Sky Aviation there did my glider
and I think it was more than $175.00
I am due for re cert this cuming springs so your reply might be helpful.
John G. 409
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| Quote: | From: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy(at)navy.mil>
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Subject: Re: GRT EFIS Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:41:36 -0700
Look for another avionics shop technician that brings his portable test
equipment to YOU!
With portable test equipment, the technician only has to connect a line to
your pitot tube, a suction cup over static port(s), and a small antenna
near your transponder antenna to perform the certification test.
Last test cost me approx. $175 and was accomplished at MY hangar....
Jack Lockamy
RV-7A N174JL 240 hrs
Camarillo, CA
RV-10 lurker
www.jacklockamy.com
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wv4i(at)bellsouth.net
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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| Quote: | Try and sell that to the FAA.
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I'm not looking to sell anything to the FAA, only follow their rules. I
am also not trying to explain or interpret their rules, such
interpretation which can even vary by FSDO or Inspector. My flying
airplane (RV6) is maintained with current Pitot-Static/Xpdr/Mode C
checks, from an authorized repair station, even though it is NOT
configured for IFR flight per FAR 91.205. Put another way, I routinely
operate in/below/near airspace whereby this equipment is either
necessary for prudent, safe operation, and/or required. Enough said.
Conversely, and by way of example, I have a couple of professional pilot
neighbors who don't use their installed, working radio at our
uncontrolled field because they say it's not required. They also argue
that they can leave the Xpdr (and mode C) off, even though a Class C
airspace lateral limit is 2 miles to the east, at which point the floor
is 1200' MSL. We have turbine powered, TCAS equipped aircraft being
vectored over our field at times, so they could be as low as 1500' AGL,
and as fast as 250KIAS. Are my neighbors' operations contrary to FAR's?
AIM? Could this go to careless and reckless operation? Notwithstanding,
is it prudent and is good judgment exercised to operate in such a
manner? We thus come back to the topic of keeping current
Pitot-Static/Xpdr/Mode C checks, or not, in RV-10's or whatever type
aircraft.
Not trying to get into some sort of online debate here. But, I saw a
post that is/was likely to create confusion, and thus decided to reply.
I speak from the standpoint of a former military pilot, who has been
made far more conservative from 17 years of airline flying, i.e. flying
people around. That airplane just over you, beside you, under you, has
somebody's mother/father/kin onboard, and the controller, and/or TCAS,
is trying to keep the metal separated.
Back to driving rivets....
Link McGarity
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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: GRT EFIS |
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In a message dated 9/28/2006 6:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, wv4i(at)bellsouth.net writes:
| Quote: | even though a Class C
airspace lateral limit is 2 miles to the east, at which point the floor
is 1200' MSL. |
If you are entering into the mode C area it begins at the ground and extends to the upper limits of the airspace it is not the same area as the altitude limits...that is one needs to have the transponder on in the Mode C area outer limits not just in the altitude restrictions. Mode C area is the entire controlled defined area not just the altitude area...ground to the upper limits whether in a Class C, B or A.
Patrick
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