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n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

Could some of you folks that know such things, point me to a couple of

representative pictures of the series 6 and 7 fwf installations?  Trying

to see what is different...I found several FWF pictures on the

Sportflight site, but don't know what version I'm looking at.



Jeremy Casey

jdmcbean(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

Jeremy,

	The differences are significant.. The Series 7 FWF reduces the installation

time by as much as 60%.  The engine also moved forward about 5".



Have a Safe New Year !!

John & Debra McBean

www.sportplanellc.com

"The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground"



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n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

Moving the motor 5" is a VERY SIGNIFICANT change!!!  If the C.G. was

close to right before then something else had to move...(battery to the

tail?)



I understand the reasoning for more room behind the engine...the RANS S7

FWF is about 10 pounds of ____ in a 5 pound can...requires a left handed

midget who amputated his pinky and ring finger to get somethings in

there... (Remember the S7 uses the same motor on a firewall about 23"

wide 



Just trying to get educated in the ways of Kitfox...history of why

things were changed explains lots of stuff when your building a kit that

is 2 models old.



Jeremy Casey



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aldaniels(at)fmtc.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

I think the problem was that the 5,6 with the Rotax was not heavy enough 

up front, and it limited how much you could put in the cargo area. The 5 

inches made it a better balanced plane, but when I built my 5 with a 7 

FWF which I made as light as I could and set the max. weight at 1320, I 

decided that I would be better off to use 1 degree of  forward wing 

sweep. I also put an oversized elevator on for more slow speed 

authority. I don't know how much the 1 degree helped as I could roll the 

tail wheel before the mains on my standard 7 about as easy as I can with 

my 57.



Jeremy Casey wrote:



[quote]



Moving the motor 5" is a VERY SIGNIFICANT change!!!  If the C.G. was

close to right before then something else had to move...(battery to the

tail?)



I understand the reasoning for more room behind the engine...the RANS S7

FWF is about 10 pounds of ____ in a 5 pound can...requires a left handed

midget who amputated his pinky and ring finger to get somethings in

there... (Remember the S7 uses the same motor on a firewall about 23"

wide 



Just trying to get educated in the ways of Kitfox...history of why

things were changed explains lots of stuff when your building a kit that

is 2 models old.



Jeremy Casey



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rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

Jeremy,

I have the S-7 firewall forward on my Series 5.  Moving the 912S ahead does

move the CG ahead.  But that was the purpose!  Because the engine is light,

this is needed to allow the full use of the 150 lb capacity of the baggage

area.  My plane is light and I established a 16 lb tool kit (that I like to

have anyway) as required equipment.  This keeps me in balance when solo with

minimum fuel. 



Randy - Series 5/7 912S 



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n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

Alan...seems that forward sweep would aggravate an aft CG condition?

Did you mean rearward sweep?



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aldaniels(at)fmtc.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

Forward wing sweep does move the center of lift forward and give a 

different CG envelope. I did it as I do not intend to use the 150 pound 

limit in the cargo compartment and wanted it better balanced for light 

operations. Loaded very light without anything in the cargo compartment 

puts you forward of or close to the forward limit. My wife can fly it 

for fun alone and still get a good flair, or we can load it up and go 

camping with a cargo limit of something like 120 pounds in the cargo 

bay. I normally do not carry bricks or sacks of cement so that is not a 

problem. Like I said, I am not sure it really did much. I can tell you 

that when my wife flies the Kitfox, the plane is not the only fox flying.



Jeremy Casey wrote:



[quote]



Alan...seems that forward sweep would aggravate an aft CG condition?

Did you mean rearward sweep?



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bnn(at)nethere.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

At 08:18 PM 1/26/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I can tell you

that when my wife flies the Kitfox, the plane is not the only fox flying.


	


Anyone who makes such a claim is required to supply photographic evidence 

to substantiate it!  (Preferably the kind of evidence that leads to 

teeth gnashing and shirt rending!)

Guy

larsonmil3(at)earthlink.n
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

The Fox in ??? here has had many marriage proposals.

So stand in line when she finally dumps the bum (Alan)

Mark Miller



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n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

<snip>

Alan & Linda Daniels



I normally do not carry bricks or sacks of cement so that is not a 

problem. Like I said, I am not sure it really did much. I can tell you 

that when my wife flies the Kitfox, the plane is not the only fox

flying.

<snip>



Clear on the wing sweep thing...as far as how many "foxes" are flying

you must be a lucky man...a good-looking wife WHO IS A PILOT too!!! (my

eyes are tearing up...I'm so jealous...my wife is a knock-out but I

couldn't get her in a plane at gun point 



Jeremy Casey

roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

I too have two foxes, but plan on sitting a blow up doll on a lawnchair in 

front of the hanger.

    Ron NB Or

  do not archive

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		  From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Series 6 vs. Series 7 FWF...

Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:28:53 -0500






<snip>

Alan & Linda Daniels



I normally do not carry bricks or sacks of cement so that is not a

problem. Like I said, I am not sure it really did much. I can tell you

that when my wife flies the Kitfox, the plane is not the only fox

flying.

<snip>



Clear on the wing sweep thing...as far as how many "foxes" are flying

you must be a lucky man...a good-looking wife WHO IS A PILOT too!!! (my

eyes are tearing up...I'm so jealous...my wife is a knock-out but I

couldn't get her in a plane at gun point 



Jeremy Casey






	


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