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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

Guys

The bottom surface of the pink fiberglass cabin cover, which will act as the cockpit ceiling, has 2 different surfaces.
The one in the aft part, which will cover the back seats and the baggage compartment, is very smooth, and seems to be almost finished.
The one over the front seats, around the doors hinges holes, is very very rough.

How did you finish these 2 different surfaces?

Regards
Carlos
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:12 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

Carlos, lots of filler and sanding of both...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:13 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.
Sand and fill again.
Sand and fill one more time.

Now you're getting close.

Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.

Oh wait, you're not as close as we thought.

Sand and fill some more.
And again.
And again.

Now you get to work on pin holes!

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On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:



Guys

The bottom surface of the pink fiberglass cabin cover, which will act as the cockpit ceiling, has 2 different surfaces.
The one in the aft part, which will cover the back seats and the baggage compartment, is very smooth, and seems to be almost finished.
The one over the front seats, around the doors hinges holes, is very very rough.

How did you finish these 2 different surfaces?

Regards
Carlos


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:33 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

I put the carbon fiber overhead duct in but finishing would be the same. I shaded down the really high spots with a 3 inch disk sander and took the shine off everywhere. Them I mixed up some Westsystem 105 epoxy and some micro faring filler and spread it everywhere. The aft part I used a long board sander on and around the curves I just tried to get nice smooth curves with whatever soft material (like a sponge) worked. It took quite a few coats to get it smooth. I bonded the aluminum backup strips for the rivets on before I finished it so the edge of the aluminum would not show and painted it before I riveted it on the aircraft. The bag side of the cabin cover is pretty bad. I may leave it painted or cover it with some thin foam backed material like they use in modern cars. At least I have I nice smooth surface now. It was a lot easier to finish it laying upside down.

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On Feb 9, 2017, at 09:41, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:



Guys

The bottom surface of the pink fiberglass cabin cover, which will act as the cockpit ceiling, has 2 different surfaces.
The one in the aft part, which will cover the back seats and the baggage compartment, is very smooth, and seems to be almost finished.
The one over the front seats, around the doors hinges holes, is very very rough.

How did you finish these 2 different surfaces?

Regards
Carlos


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

You can glue headliner fabric over the whole thing and not otherwise
touch it.

Using the right adhesive results in an easy and nice job (automotive
headline adhesive recommended by Flightline). However, the edges are a
challenge that I never solved. Still unhappy.

Bill "never wanting to touch the top again if I can help it" Watson

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Guys

The bottom surface of the pink fiberglass cabin cover, which will act as the cockpit ceiling, has 2 different surfaces.
The one in the aft part, which will cover the back seats and the baggage compartment, is very smooth, and seems to be almost finished.
The one over the front seats, around the doors hinges holes, is very very rough.

How did you finish these 2 different surfaces?

Regards
Carlos


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:49 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

Carlos,

I used micro to fill in the rough areas on the forward side, along with a
lot of sanding. The forward side got painted the same color as the rest of
the interior. On the aft side I put up a 3/8" thick marine grade vinyl
backed foam, and covered that with a matching interior cloth (from
Cleaveland Tool). If I had to do it today, I would prep and paint the front
as before, but use this high textured product on the aft side:
http://www.zolatone.com/

A Lancair IV neighbor did this with his plane and it looks great. It is a
fraction of the work, very light, and will last forever.

Carl

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

Dammit!

Why did I ask this question?
I should have known that I didn't want to know the answer!...

Thanks Philip
I guess I have to hire some patient "Sand & Fill" dude ....

Carlos

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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Phillip Perry
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Assunto: Re: Cabin cover bottom

Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.
Sand and fill again.
Sand and fill one more time.

Now you're getting close.

Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.

Oh wait, you're not as close as we thought.

Sand and fill some more.
And again.
And again.

Now you get to work on pin holes!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:16 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

And when should that be done?
Before permanently installing the cabin cover in the fuselage?

And how about the door hinges installation?, can that be done after all that
sand & fill work?

Carlos

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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Rick Lark
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Carlos, lots of filler and sanding of both...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

I used headliner....2 people about 1 hour. Doing the trim a little longer.
I did a little prep before hand, but mostly dealing with the retractable
shoulder harness pads, etc.

Rene'
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

If I had it to do again, I'd sand off the high spots. Fill the lows to match. Then glue in a foam backed headliner to cover the imperfections.

Then I'd be fine with it and move on.

The cabin top has been the worst part of the project for me. Even over the doors.

I had planned on putting a headliner in mine, but after all the work I put into mine to make it look awesome, I decided to not cover it up.

So mine is exposed now, but I'd cover it if I ever did another.

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On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:



Dammit!

Why did I ask this question?
I should have known that I didn't want to know the answer!...

Thanks Philip
I guess I have to hire some patient "Sand & Fill" dude ....

Carlos

-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] Em nome de Phillip Perry
Enviada: Thursday, February 9, 2017 4:13 PM
Para: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Assunto: Re: Cabin cover bottom

Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.
Sand and fill again.
Sand and fill one more time.

Now you're getting close.

Sand and fill.
Sand and fill.

Oh wait, you're not as close as we thought.

Sand and fill some more.
And again.
And again.

Now you get to work on pin holes!








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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:37 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

I was lucky in that I was based next to an aircraft interior shop.  We used a combination of textured truck bed liner paint and automotive type headliner.  I let the paint show in areas that are hard to cover with cloth, like around the windows.  The upper door areas are painted to conserve headroom.  This kit comes with the spray gun.  I had it tinted at my local paint supplier.  Worked great and easy to apply:

http://tinyurl.com/j7bclgy
Here's an example of the finished paint surface and the headliner.
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Also, the areas that tend to be touched a lot are painted so they're easy to clean.
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Guys

The bottom surface of the pink fiberglass cabin cover, which will act as the cockpit ceiling, has 2 different surfaces.
The one in the aft part, which will cover the back seats and the baggage compartment, is very smooth, and seems to be almost finished.
The one over the front seats, around the doors hinges holes, is very very rough.

How did you finish these 2 different surfaces?

Regards
Carlos


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

I sprayed sound insulation and ceramic "truckliner" on my cabin top, has a orangepeel look to it and I love it! No idea if its any quieter and temperature difference than without it, but it sure was easy to complete- never really sanded anything
I BTW sprayed the same mixture on my firewall- and it does block noise and heat, but I put more on both sides on FW than I did on cabin area. In all cases the area remains solid with no peeling whatsoever.
I used Lizardskin sound and ceramic gallons, but I think there are less expensive options that would accomplish the same goal of covering over an area quickly. As a note the ceramic can be sanded smooth, the sound insulator is more a rubbery non sandable area. Additionally throwing micro balloons into the ceramic makes it even easier to smooth out.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:25 am    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

I used Zolatone on the inside of the cabin on mine. Darker on the lower
half ..... height of door sill, and a lighter color from there up. I
sprayed it with my HF gun.
Linn
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Carlos,

I used micro to fill in the rough areas on the forward side, along with a
lot of sanding. The forward side got painted the same color as the rest of
the interior. On the aft side I put up a 3/8" thick marine grade vinyl
backed foam, and covered that with a matching interior cloth (from
Cleaveland Tool). If I had to do it today, I would prep and paint the front
as before, but use this high textured product on the aft side:
http://www.zolatone.com/

A Lancair IV neighbor did this with his plane and it looks great. It is a
fraction of the work, very light, and will last forever.

Carl

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject: Cabin cover bottom Reply with quote

Carlos as others have indicated, it all depends on how you finish the
interior. Like Phil, I also painted my cabin top, with high gloss urethane
no less, so it took a lot of work (I also made my own overhead console so it
all worked out together). I would do almost all of the work before
installing the top. Same thing with the door hinges.
I figured out what position the cabin top would be in when installed, and
did about 80% of my door fitting on a work bench, then finished it up on the
fuse.
Take your time and think it all through. If you can get this far in the
build, the remainder will come as well, just takes time.
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