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Tim Olson



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Tim,
I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2 PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.
Kevin Belue
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Hey all,  I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter.  I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else?  If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

What is the ~price on the NL?  How much weight does it add?  I do not have a problem with the starter working with the 925 batter, but I think I am developing a dead (weak) spot and will be replacing my starter this annual……..unless the problem goes away when it gets warmer and I fly more.

Rene'
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Tim,



I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2 PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.



Kevin Belue

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Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:34 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

I have never seen a fit issue.

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On Feb 16, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim





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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Thanks Kevin,

I just hit "place order". Should have one next Wednesday.
I haven't heard any negatives in all my reading so I'm going to
go with it. My PC925 does work for the IO-540, but getting past
that first prop blade sometimes takes a 2nd try. But once
you start it spinning it does an OK job. I'm sure the NL
will be better.

I have an issue with my RV-14 starter not always cranking,b
but when it cranks its great. It's an LS. I was hoping to
pull my RV-10 starter and use it while I send that one in,
but it's a PM and not an LS, and I don't think the cable
lengths will work out. Oh well.

Tim

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Tim,

I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2
PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery
must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits
just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now
starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.

Kevin Belue

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com
<mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:



Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:41 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

The Skytec NL starter weighs 9.3 lbs and costs $436 at Aircraft Spruce.

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What is the ~price on the NL?  How much weight does it add?  I do not have a problem with the starter working with the 925 batter, but I think I am developing a dead (weak) spot and will be replacing my starter this annual……..unless the problem goes away when it gets warmer and I fly more.
 
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Tim,

 

I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2 PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.

 

Kevin Belue
 
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>

Hey all,  I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter.  I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else?  If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

I had 2 choices. One was $499 from Sky-Tec and then trade mine in for
a $154 credit, and the 2nd choice was $436 from ACS. I chose the
latter. It looks like 1lb more than my PM starter. All the better
for my CG when I load it up.
Tim
On 2/16/2017 4:28 PM, Rene wrote:
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What is the ~price on the NL? How much weight does it add? I do not
have a problem with the starter working with the 925 batter, but I think
I am developing a dead (weak) spot and will be replacing my starter this
annual……..unless the problem goes away when it gets warmer and I fly more.

Rene'

801-721-6080

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*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:15 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter

Tim,

I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2
PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery
must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits
just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now
starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.

Kevin Belue

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<mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:


<mailto:Tim(at)MyRV10.com>>

Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Thanks Tim, I am the same on the CG. I added a 680 on the firewall, almost 100% for CG reasons. Big battery, O2, and APRS all behind the rear bulkhead or in the tail.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Skytec has an option where you can send your starter to them for "rebuild" and get a different model back. Cheaper than buying a new one. I think the "rebuilt" is just a new unit.

Jesse SaintSaint Aviation, Inc.
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On Feb 16, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:
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What is the ~price on the NL? How much weight does it add? I do not have a problem with the starter working with the 925 batter, but I think I am developing a dead (weak) spot and will be replacing my starter this annual……..unless the problem goes away when it gets warmer and I fly more.

Rene'
801-721-6080

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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter

Tim,



I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2 PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.



Kevin Belue

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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>

Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Maybe I'll try that.  If I send them my PM for a rebuild, I can get
it back as an NL, and throw an NL on both airplanes.
That would be nice.
Tim



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Skytec has an option where you can send your starter to them for "rebuild" and get a different model back. Cheaper than buying a new one. I think the "rebuilt" is just a new unit. 

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F: 815-377-3694


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What is the ~price on the NL?  How much weight does it add?  I do not have a problem with the starter working with the 925 batter, but I think I am developing a dead (weak) spot and will be replacing my starter this annual……..unless the problem goes away when it gets warmer and I fly more.
 
Rene'
801-721-6080
 
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Subject: Re: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter
 
Tim,

 

I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2 PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.

 

Kevin Belue


 
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Hey all,  I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter.  I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else?  If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Tim,

If the NL is the long version with planetary gear, I have one and have no issues with the standard installation. I have a narrow deck 540.

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Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

Tim





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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

I chose a Hartzell (orig Kelly) ERZ-8011. I like it a lot. A bit more
torque and slower rpm than the Nline Skytec. However, when I made the
choice it was close to the Skytec in price. Since Hartzell took over, it
now is priced at a $200 premium. No way I would pay that much extra now.
One other advantage it had was a clutch to protect against kick backs. I
understand that Skytec has since adopted that feature, instead of the
shear pins they originally had. I was not a fan of having to remove a
starter just to replace a shear pin. Didn't I read about Hartzell buying
out both Skytec and Plane Power recently? Hard to say what that means in
the long run.

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Tim,

If the NL is the long version with planetary gear, I have one and have no issues with the standard installation. I have a narrow deck 540.

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>
> Hey all, I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
> with the NL starter. I think mine is the 149-12PM
> right now.
>
> Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
> comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
> other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
> swap starters its not going to fit well because of
> some interference somewhere else? If not, I'll go ahead
> and just order one.
>
> Tim
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Just following up on this.

Today I bought a 2nd NL starter. So I'm going to just put them on
both planes. I'll have a 149-12LS and 149-12PM on the shelf
as spares I guess.

I asked Sky-Tec about the rebuild option. She said that is
not an option any longer and went away when Hartzell bought
Sky-Tec. They only have one option now. You can buy a
new starter, from them ($499 vs $436 street price), then
after you pull your old one send the receipt and old starter
in, and get your credit. Current credit for the old is
$154 for the LS or PM. So a delta of about $90. But,
you have to pay shipping in both directions...for the new
starter, and the old starter, and I'm assuming for the
replaced starter. With shipping costs where it is, that
$90 will get cut to almost nothing by 3 shipments at $25.
So, by buying 2 from spruce, I got free shipping on the new
ones, and now I'll have 2 that I can either shelf for
spares, or sell, or whatever.

BTW: The NL starter can only be wired (without modification)
by using the single-wire method. I have both planes wired
per Van's where you pull the jumper wire. Just wanted to
note that there is that difference.

I opted for the NL for the 14 primarily for expedience in
getting it fixed, but also to add that 1lb to the engine.
It will assist in keeping my CG forward for aerobatic envelope
purposes.

Tim

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Skytec has an option where you can send your starter to them for
"rebuild" and get a different model back. Cheaper than buying a new one.
I think the "rebuilt" is just a new unit.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:30 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Tim,

I'm not familiar with the 149-12PM, so I can't comment on the differences between the fit.  However I have the NL, and can't imagine that you would have any fit issues.  It tucks away into the engine nicely.  Perhaps you could have a scat tube, cable, or wire in the way, but I doubt it.
Here's some photos with a straight edge to help put things into perspective.
For the record, I have a dual alt/battery setup with dual PC-680's on the backend.  I also have 9:1 pistons and a the NL starter doesn't even blink at spinning the MT on a single battery.   Plenty of torque off a 680 for the 9:1 pistons.  Your PC-925 and 8.5 pistons (IIRC) won't have any issues at all.
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I chose a Hartzell (orig Kelly) ERZ-8011. I like it a lot. A bit more torque and slower rpm than the Nline Skytec. However, when I made the choice it was close to the Skytec in price. Since Hartzell took over, it now is priced at a $200 premium. No way I would pay that much extra now. One other advantage it had was a clutch to protect against kick backs. I understand that Skytec has since adopted that feature, instead of the shear pins they originally had. I was not a fan of having to remove a starter just to replace a shear pin. Didn't I read about Hartzell buying out both Skytec and Plane Power recently? Hard to say what that means in the long run.

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Tim,

If the NL is the long version with planetary gear, I have one and have no issues with the standard installation.  I have a narrow deck 540.

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Hey all,  I'm thinking of replacing my starter on my RV-10
with the NL starter.  I think mine is the 149-12PM
right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else?  If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:49 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

The LS and PM starters are permanent magnet, a little lighter than the NL and have the solenoid either on the right or left side of the motor. It is an issue with baffle fit. They draw a lot more current than the NL and have trouble cranking past the compression stroke if the battery is a little down or there is any resistance in the cable connections between battery and starter. I have one on my Mooney. Took some tracking down to replace an old starter relay that had resistance before it would crank reliably.
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Tim,

I'm not familiar with the 149-12PM, so I can't comment on the differences between the fit.  However I have the NL, and can't imagine that you would have any fit issues.  It tucks away into the engine nicely.  Perhaps you could have a scat tube, cable, or wire in the way, but I doubt it.
 



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:52 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

That's kind of what I figured Phil. The photos all make it
look much longer than the LS/PM versions. The LS and PM
seem to be almost identical, with the solenoid on the opposite
side of the main body. I may have some small wires like for
my lightspeed ignition or something that I have to
adjust but I don't expect anything major. It's just that
going from a short/wide starter to a narrow/long one
had me wondering if I was overlooking something. I guess
I'll know in a couple weeks.

I'll report back after I get them installed.

Tim
On 2/17/2017 9:26 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
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Tim,

I'm not familiar with the 149-12PM, so I can't comment on the
differences between the fit. However I have the NL, and can't imagine
that you would have any fit issues. It tucks away into the engine
nicely. Perhaps you could have a scat tube, cable, or wire in the way,
but I doubt it.

Here's some photos with a straight edge to help put things into perspective.

For the record, I have a dual alt/battery setup with dual PC-680's on
the backend. I also have 9:1 pistons and a the NL starter doesn't even
blink at spinning the MT on a single battery. Plenty of torque off a
680 for the 9:1 pistons. Your PC-925 and 8.5 pistons (IIRC) won't have
any issues at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:59 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

In the FWIW area on starters, I originally had the LS starter on my 10. I had always had difficulty starting with just 1 PC 680 battery. During my 2015 ACI I decided to send it back to SkyTech for refurb. When discussing with them, they told me I had the wrong starter installed since the engine was built by AeroSport Power in 2006! They sent me an overhauled NL starter with my LS as the core. Same fit and function as the LS.

The difference in the initial turning of blades is night and day different (MUCH improved).

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That's kind of what I figured Phil. The photos all make it
look much longer than the LS/PM versions. The LS and PM
seem to be almost identical, with the solenoid on the opposite
side of the main body. I may have some small wires like for
my lightspeed ignition or something that I have to
adjust but I don't expect anything major. It's just that
going from a short/wide starter to a narrow/long one
had me wondering if I was overlooking something. I guess
I'll know in a couple weeks.

I'll report back after I get them installed.

Tim


On 2/17/2017 9:26 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I'm not familiar with the 149-12PM, so I can't comment on the
> differences between the fit. However I have the NL, and can't imagine
> that you would have any fit issues. It tucks away into the engine
> nicely. Perhaps you could have a scat tube, cable, or wire in the way,
> but I doubt it.
>
> Here's some photos with a straight edge to help put things into perspective.
>
> For the record, I have a dual alt/battery setup with dual PC-680's on
> the backend. I also have 9:1 pistons and a the NL starter doesn't even
> blink at spinning the MT on a single battery. Plenty of torque off a
> 680 for the 9:1 pistons. Your PC-925 and 8.5 pistons (IIRC) won't have
> any issues at all.
>
> Phil
>
>





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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:05 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

I'm at the hangar now, trying to get this thing finished up, so I can give you any measurement you want.

The back of the starter to the front of the sump is exactly 1".

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That's kind of what I figured Phil.  The photos all make it
look much longer than the LS/PM versions. The LS and PM
seem to be almost identical, with the solenoid on the opposite
side of the main body.  I may have some small wires like for
my lightspeed ignition or something that I have to
adjust but I don't expect anything major.  It's just that
going from a short/wide starter to a narrow/long one
had me wondering if I was overlooking something.  I guess
I'll know in a couple weeks.

I'll report back after I get them installed.

Tim


On 2/17/2017 9:26 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
Quote:

Tim,

I'm not familiar with the 149-12PM, so I can't comment on the
differences between the fit.  However I have the NL, and can't imagine
that you would have any fit issues.  It tucks away into the engine
nicely.  Perhaps you could have a scat tube, cable, or wire in the way,
but I doubt it.

Here's some photos with a straight edge to help put things into perspective.

For the record, I have a dual alt/battery setup with dual PC-680's on
the backend.  I also have 9:1 pistons and a the NL starter doesn't even
blink at spinning the MT on a single battery.   Plenty of torque off a
680 for the 9:1 pistons.  Your PC-925 and 8.5 pistons (IIRC) won't have
any issues at all.

Phil


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Okay, that does it.  I'm swapping mine as well.

I too have (2) 680s and it 'should' be enough power but it isn't for the LS.  That first blade is always in question.

Thanks all!

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What is the ~price on the NL?  How much weight does it add?  I do not have a problem with the starter working with the 925 batter, but I think I am developing a dead (weak) spot and will be replacing my starter this annual……..unless the problem goes away when it gets warmer and I fly more.
 
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Tim,

 

I had the 149-12PM on my RV10 and it would hardly turn it over. I have 2 PC680 batteries, but that's hardly enough power. Your larger battery must help there. I changed to the NL starter and it's great. It fits just fine and has much more torque. I don't have any problems now starting on one PC680. I think it's the best starter for the RV10.

 

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right now.

Can anyone who's either swapped for an NL or has an NL
comment on the fit of the starter in relation to all the
other stuff... i.e. is there any realistic chance that if I
swap starters its not going to fit well because of
some interference somewhere else?  If not, I'll go ahead
and just order one.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:21 am    Post subject: Sky-Tec NL vs LS starter Reply with quote

Ok Bill, I give you permission to put in your order now. Smile
I say that because I'm sure that by now mine have been
packaged for shipping so you won't take one of mine. Wink

You're absolutely right. It's the first blade that's the
problem. On my RV-14 the LS works great, but the NL
should work even better. It will turn the prop
"bigly" to quote a random buffoon I keep seeing on tv.

Tim

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I too have (2) 680s and it 'should' be enough power but it isn't for the
LS. That first blade is always in question.

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