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Howdy Kolbers,
Has anyone found a good alternative to the little square Facet fuel pumps to pump the fuel out of the tanks?
A friend of mine gave me one or two of them to play with, and they seem really heavy for what they do. Most everyone on the Kolb List has always said that excess weight is the enemy, and that "you can feel every pound" you carry in the Kolb.
Bill Berle
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:16 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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I've used Facet pumps since my FS days. They are reliable and last a long time.
Some Kolbers are completely nuts about saving the weight of a washer. Some are not. I never intentionally went out of my way to save weight. The Kolb wing is a heavy hauler. It will perform better when light, but it also will perform when heavy.
I don't know of an alternative for the Facet. Before I incorporated 12VDC in my FS I used a primer bulb and Mikuni pulse pump for fuel. My US used the Mikuni pump on a Cuyuna ULII02. They all worked.
On the 912ULS I have a Facet boost pump and an engine driven pump. The engine is happy working off the engine driven pump alone. The Facet pump fills the carb float bowls and acts as emergency backup. I've had Mikuni pulse pumps fail, but never an engine driven pump on a 912.
john h
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Titus, Alabama
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:43 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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Bill, It's almost impossible to beat the Facet for price and variety of pressure ranges. What little extra weight they might bring is so slight as to be inconsequential. After a squeeze bulb shed a flapper valve and put me right back on the runway (if it had happened the day before I'd have gone in the Arkansas River) I put on the Facet and never looked back. Been pattering away for over 10 years without so much as a hiccup.
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 4:16 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
I've used Facet pumps since my FS days. They are reliable and last a long time.
Some Kolbers are completely nuts about saving the weight of a washer. Some are not. I never intentionally went out of my way to save weight. The Kolb wing is a heavy hauler. It will perform better when light, but it also will perform when heavy.
I don't know of an alternative for the Facet. Before I incorporated 12VDC in my FS I used a primer bulb and Mikuni pulse pump for fuel. My US used the Mikuni pump on a Cuyuna ULII02. They all worked.
On the 912ULS I have a Facet boost pump and an engine driven pump. The engine is happy working off the engine driven pump alone. The Facet pump fills the carb float bowls and acts as emergency backup. I've had Mikuni pulse pumps fail, but never an engine driven pump on a 912.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:43 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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If you find a better bacon saver for the weight, please let me know. As long as you install a filter ahead of it at the recommended micron level (around 100, IIRC), it will almost certainly outlast your grandkids. If you don't use the filter, it may stop at any time (that you feed it dirt).
The only things that move in it are a plunger and a couple of check valves. It doesn't even have electrical contacts to make/break internally.
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On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Howdy Kolbers,
Has anyone found a good alternative to the little square Facet fuel pumps to pump the fuel out of the tanks?
A friend of mine gave me one or two of them to play with, and they seem really heavy for what they do. Most everyone on the Kolb List has always said that excess weight is the enemy, and that "you can feel every pound" you carry in the Kolb.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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John Hauck
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I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000 pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation. Impressed me.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:08 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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Thank you guys much!
I was already aware of the long-term reliability reputation of the Facet pumps, they're certified in millions of GA airplanes. Just having a two pound+ steel box sitting there in my hand was getting under my skin.
I'm definitely not one of those guys who seriously counts washers to save weight, but I'm already !(#*%^ heavier than the average FAA 170 pounder, and the HKS engine is 15-20 pounds heavier than the 503. And I'm using larger tires. And the HKS requires a battery. And I'll need a transponder and radio at my airport.
I already removed the BRS chute to save weight (there were no aerobatics on my agenda!), and I already made a firm decision to use this only as a single seat aircraft.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Tue, 5/23/17, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 2:41 PM
If you find a better
bacon saver for the weight, please let me know. As long as
you install a filter ahead of it at the recommended micron
level (around 100, IIRC), it will almost certainly outlast
your grandkids. If you don't use the filter, it may stop
at any time (that you feed it dirt).
The only things that move in it are a plunger and
a couple of check valves. It doesn't even have
electrical contacts to make/break internally.
Charlie
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at 3:48 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
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Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Howdy Kolbers,
Has anyone found a good alternative to the little square
Facet fuel pumps to pump the fuel out of the tanks?
A friend of mine gave me one or two of them to play with,
and they seem really heavy for what they do. Most everyone
on the Kolb List has always said that excess weight is the
enemy, and that "you can feel every pound" you
carry in the Kolb.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com
- safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net
- winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit
entities
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Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
George H.
Firestar, FS#100
14GDH
Mesick, Mi
gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
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I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000 pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation. Impressed me.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:34 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the floats and needles.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
George H.
Firestar, FS#100
14GDH
Mesick, Mi
gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
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I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000 pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation. Impressed me.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:49 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need.
Larry
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance
manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the
floats and needles.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a
particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
George H.
Firestar, FS#100
14GDH
Mesick, Mi
gdhelton(at)gmail.com
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web
site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel
applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000
pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation.
Impressed me.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:42 pm Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet pumps here:
http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need.
Larry
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
> 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance
> manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the
> floats and needles.
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> john h
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> mkIII
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> Titus, AL
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> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of George Helton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
>
>
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> Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a
> particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
>
>
>
> George H.
>
> Firestar, FS#100
>
> 14GDH
>
> Mesick, Mi
>
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
>
>
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> Have a great day!
>
>
> On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
>
>
>
> I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web
> site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel
> applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000
> pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation.
> Impressed me.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, AL
>
>
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Thank you for all information you Kolbers posted on this fuel pump, facet 40104. This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks.
George H.
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet pumps here:
http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)>
I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need.
Larry
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
> 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance
> manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the
> floats and needles.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, AL
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of George Helton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
>
>
>
> Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a
> particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
>
>
>
> George H.
>
> Firestar, FS#100
>
> 14GDH
>
> Mesick, Mi
>
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
>
>
>
> Have a great day!
>
>
> On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
>
>
>
> I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web
> site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel
> applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000
> pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation.
> Impressed me.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, AL
>
>
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:50 am Post subject: Fuel Pump |
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12 volts DC is 12 volts DC. Yes, it should work but you'd lose the advantage the electric pump brings, getting fuel to the carb(s) for easy starting. You also wouldn't be able to hear the little Facet's "thump thump" that lets you know it's working.
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:45 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Thank you for all information you Kolbers posted on this fuel pump, facet 40104. This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks.
George H.
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet pumps here:
http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)>
I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need.
Larry
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
> 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance
> manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the
> floats and needles.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, AL
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of George Helton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
>
>
>
> Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a
> particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
>
>
>
> George H.
>
> Firestar, FS#100
>
> 14GDH
>
> Mesick, Mi
>
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
>
>
>
> Have a great day!
>
>
> On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
>
>
>
> I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web
> site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel
> applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000
> pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation.
> Impressed me.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, AL
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Good information, Rick. Thanks! I think I'll order a pump.
George
Have a great day!
On May 24, 2017, at 5:50 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | 12 volts DC is 12 volts DC. Yes, it should work but you'd lose the advantage the electric pump brings, getting fuel to the carb(s) for easy starting. You also wouldn't be able to hear the little Facet's "thump thump" that lets you know it's working.
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:45 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Thank you for all information you Kolbers posted on this fuel pump, facet 40104. This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks.
George H.
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet pumps here:
http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)>
I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need.
Larry
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
> 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance
> manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the
> floats and needles.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, AL
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of George Helton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
>
>
>
> Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a
> particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
>
>
>
> George H.
>
> Firestar, FS#100
>
> 14GDH
>
> Mesick, Mi
>
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
>
>
>
> Have a great day!
>
>
> On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
>
>
>
> I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web
> site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel
> applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000
> pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation.
> Impressed me.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, AL
>
>
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Install a small battery, a Facet fuel pump, and get rid of the squeeze bulb.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:46 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
Good information, Rick. Thanks! I think I'll order a pump.
George
Have a great day!
On May 24, 2017, at 5:50 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: |
12 volts DC is 12 volts DC. Yes, it should work but you'd lose the advantage the electric pump brings, getting fuel to the carb(s) for easy starting. You also wouldn't be able to hear the little Facet's "thump thump" that lets you know it's working.
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:45 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Thank you for all information you Kolbers posted on this fuel pump, facet 40104. This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks.
George H.
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: |
What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet pumps here:
http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php
Rick
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)>
I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need.
Larry
On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance
manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the
floats and needles.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a
particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax?
George H.
Firestar, FS#100
14GDH
Mesick, Mi
gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
Have a great day!
On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web
site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel
applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000
pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation.
Impressed me.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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George
I think that you could run the fuel pump on the regulator without a battery...... BUT ...... information i learned about the voltage regulator is they do better (don't burn out as easily) if they have a small constant load. Charging the battery creates a constant load on the regulator... Another easy way is to run some lights on the voltage regulator output.
With or without a battery, you should still have a capasitor to smooth out the voltage spikes.
Boyd Young
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This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks.
> George H.
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Thanks, Boyd. I just ordered a new voltage regulator, 40104 Facet fuel pump and the small battery that George A. Suggested. I appreciate all the input that you guys have given me. Hope test fly my Firestar (original) this Friday. Weather permitting.
[img]cid:BFDF1878-531E-4E1B-84F3-9EBFA87FE8FB[/img]
George H.
Firestar, FS#100
14GDH
gdhelton(at)gmail.com (gdhelton(at)gmail.com)
Have a great day!
On May 24, 2017, at 10:15 AM, B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com (byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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George
I think that you could run the fuel pump on the regulator without a battery...... BUT ...... information i learned about the voltage regulator is they do better (don't burn out as easily) if they have a small constant load. Charging the battery creates a constant load on the regulator... Another easy way is to run some lights on the voltage regulator output.
With or without a battery, you should still have a capasitor to smooth out the voltage spikes.
Boyd Young
Clip
This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks.
> George H.
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What size capacitor should I use?
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
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Dennis, Look at page 18-3 of the Two Stroke Installation manual.
Rick
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25v 22000 mf capacitor
>> What size capacitor should I use?
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Does anyone pump in series (or through) their Mikuni fuel pump?
I ask as I had a wire break off my regulator and eventually lost all power to gauges, EIS and GPS before getting back to home field. It would have been a much shorter flight with only the Facet pump.
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