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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:15 am    Post subject: Multiplexer or new antenna Reply with quote

Hello. I've added a new comm radio on my RV4. I currently have a Comant CI-122 bent whip. Space is limited on the belly of the RV4. Would it be OK to use a multiplexer and share the antenna or try to find a spot for another antenna? What multiplexer would you recommend?
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:30 am    Post subject: Multiplexer or new antenna Reply with quote

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Hello. I've added a new comm radio on my RV4. I currently have a Comant CI-122 bent whip. Space is limited on the belly of the RV4. Would it be OK to use a multiplexer and share the antenna or try to find a spot for another antenna? What multiplexer would you recommend?


Having two or more appliances share a single antenna
is problematic . . . and as Heinlein noted, "There ain't
no such thing as a free lunch".

There are various ways that the energy being received
or transmitted by an antenna may be split into multiple
pathways . . . but the first effect is attenuation of
said energy(ies). The second consideration is ability
to isolate one pathway from another . . . a transmitter
dumping thousands of milliwatts into the feedline
is a severe performance risk (if not destructive) of
other appliances where a pathway is conducting microwatts
of energy.

There ARE power dividers for driving up to two VOR and
two glideslope receivers from a single VOR antenna . . .
but the performance of ALL receivers downstream of
the signal source is degraded . . . and, of course,
NO transmitters are expected to share this system.

The short answer to your question is no. Separate
antennas go to maintaining both PERFORMANCE and
REDUNDANCY of the two transceivers.




Bob . . .


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:32 am    Post subject: Multiplexer or new antenna Reply with quote

Find a place for second antenna. If there isn't room on belly, consider
locations on top of fuselage, or.. I've had success locating a CI-122 on
an inspection plate on underside of a wing. I'm not aware of any
reasonable device that allow sharing a transmitting antenna with
adequate protection from frying the receiver on the other radio.

On 6/12/2017 5:13 AM, Jeff Bertsch wrote:
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Hello. I've added a new comm radio on my RV4. I currently have a
Comant CI-122 bent whip. Space is limited on the belly of the RV4.
Would it be OK to use a multiplexer and share the antenna or try to
find a spot for another antenna? What multiplexer would you recommend?

Thanks.

Jeff Bertsch


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:26 pm    Post subject: Multiplexer or new antenna Reply with quote

Thanks Kelly.
Follow up question... I can put a second comm antenna about 3 feet from the existing antenna, but that will place it about 1 foot from the transponder antenna.
Would that be OK since the transponder is so much higher freq?
Jeff

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Find a place for second antenna. If there isn't room on belly, consider

locations on top of fuselage, or.. I've had success locating a CI-122 on

an inspection plate on underside of a wing. I'm not aware of any

reasonable device that allow sharing a transmitting antenna with

adequate protection from frying the receiver on the other radio.

On 6/12/2017 5:13 AM, Jeff Bertsch wrote:

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Hello. I've added a new comm radio on my RV4. I currently have a

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Comant CI-122 bent whip. Space is limited on the belly of the RV4.

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Would it be OK to use a multiplexer and share the antenna or try to

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find a spot for another antenna? What multiplexer would you recommend?

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Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:10 am    Post subject: Multiplexer or new antenna Reply with quote

At 11:25 PM 6/12/2017, you wrote:
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Thanks Kelly.
Follow up question... I can put a second comm antenna about 3 feet from the existing antenna, but that will place it about 1 foot from the transponder antenna.
Would that be OK since the transponder is so much higher freq?

Jeff

If it is a problem, the difficulty will manifest in
misbehaviors by the comm radio. You may hear a burst
of 'buzz' every time the reply light comes on. Baring
that, proximity to the antenna should not be a problem.



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:18 am    Post subject: Multiplexer or new antenna Reply with quote

I would rather see you get the separation by putting a com antenna under
a wing. It may be okay, but what is backup plan if it doesn't work and
you have a hole to patch in the fuselage? It is much easier to make an
inspection plate mounting that can be discarded if you don't like the
results.

On 6/13/2017 5:09 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
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At 11:25 PM 6/12/2017, you wrote:
> Thanks Kelly.
> Follow up question... I can put a second comm antenna about 3 feet
> from the existing antenna, but that will place it about 1 foot from
> the transponder antenna.
> Would that be OK since the transponder is so much higher freq?
>
> Jeff

If it is a problem, the difficulty will manifest in
misbehaviors by the comm radio. You may hear a burst
of 'buzz' every time the reply light comes on. Baring
that, proximity to the antenna should not be a problem.


Bob . . .



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