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Robert Reed



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I finish interior panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12 inch was really a bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when placed on wing. Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge did you start.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:53 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Bob
My Wing Walk was put on by my painter, applying a grit, then painting over
it. Initially it was black, per tradition, but when I started taking it
outside, I felt it got too hot in the sun and had it over sprayed with the
off-white that I used on the rest of the plane. I felt the WW being black
could be bad for the composite material. You live in a hotter, sunnier
climate that I did at the time.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Glad to hear you're going to the finish line with your project Bob.
I miss mine but had little choice.

In my next life I know better than building and would instead buy a used Arrow retractable for about the same money I put into the project.
That way I could have been flying all those years.
Al

[quote] On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Bill Schertz <wschertz343(at)gmail.com> wrote:



Bob
My Wing Walk was put on by my painter, applying a grit, then painting over it. Initially it was black, per tradition, but when I started taking it outside, I felt it got too hot in the sun and had it over sprayed with the off-white that I used on the rest of the plane. I felt the WW being black could be bad for the composite material. You live in a hotter, sunnier climate that I did at the time.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:49 pm    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

2/28/2017

Hello Robert, I have never understood the desire to glue some very coarse
black sandpaper on the inboard top of the wings of an aircraft that I was
building and planning to fly myself. Maybe for some rental airplane that may
make some sense, but not for one of our home builts.

What does make sense to me is to purchase some non adhesive rubberized shelf
or tool drawer liner (Similar to these):

https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/shelf-liner

and cut four pieces of the appropriate length and width, two sized for the
wing walk and two sized for laying over the door sill when getting in or out
or working on the plane.

Once all occupants are seated in the airplane it is very easy to ball up (or
fold up if you are a neat nick) and stow the shelf liners behind the heels
of the copilot. This is otherwise unoccupied space.

I have flown my airplane for over 10 years and never encountered a problem
unless the wind was blowing so hard that the wing walks wanted to fly away
before stowing them. II t was usually pretty easy to find some weight (nav
bag or whatever) to anchor the wing walks in that situation until it was
time to stow them before flight.

Try it -- it is a low cost, very convenient solution and if you eventually
don't like it you can always go the coarse black sand paper route.

OC

PS: Along the same line of protecting my airplane's finish I have purchased
some camp sleeping pad or exercise mats (here are some examples):

https://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6432-Therm-a-Rest-RidgeRest-Classic/dp/B00HANOY9I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503974286&sr=8-6&keywords=camp+sleeping+pad

and I keep these pads on the top surface of the wings whenever the airplane
is in the hangar. Makes great paint protection from tools, parts, battery
charger, etc.

============================================

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Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I finish interior
panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12 inch was really
a bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when placed on wing. Any
personal experience to share and where from leading edge did you start.

Bob Reed
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:53 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

FWIW: I have had "wing walk" on my airplane since 2008 and am glad I have it. My airplane now has over 1,200 flying hrs, and counting, with the "wing walk" showing all the abuse it has taken. All that abuse on the "wing walk" area is abuse the wing did not take so the wing is still in very good condition. When the "wing walk" area eventually wears enough, I will replace it with new material. I guess there is a reason that many low wing airplanes come from the factory with "wing walk" tape. YMMV      

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On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:48 PM, OC <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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2/28/2017

Hello Robert, I have never understood the desire to glue some very coarse black sandpaper on the inboard top of the wings of an aircraft that I was building and planning to fly myself. Maybe for some rental airplane that may make some sense, but not for one of our home builts.

What does make sense to me is to purchase some non adhesive rubberized shelf or tool drawer liner (Similar to these):

https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/shelf-liner

and cut four pieces of the appropriate length and width, two sized for the wing walk and two sized for laying over the door sill when getting in or out or working on the plane.

Once all occupants are seated in the airplane it is very easy to ball up (or fold up if you are a neat nick) and stow the shelf liners behind the heels of the copilot. This is otherwise unoccupied space.

I have flown my airplane for over 10 years and never encountered a problem unless the wind was blowing so hard that the wing walks wanted to fly away before stowing them. II t was usually pretty easy to find some weight (nav bag or whatever) to anchor the wing walks in that situation until it was time to stow them before flight.

Try it -- it is a low cost, very convenient solution and if you eventually don't like it you can always go the coarse black sand paper route.

OC

PS: Along the same line of protecting my airplane's finish I have purchased some camp sleeping pad or exercise mats (here are some examples):

https://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6432-Therm-a-Rest-RidgeRest-Classic/dp/B00HANOY9I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503974286&sr=8-6&keywords=camp+sleeping+pad

and I keep these pads on the top surface of the wings whenever the airplane is in the hangar. Makes great paint protection from tools, parts, battery charger, etc.

===================

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To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
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Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I finish interior panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12 inch was really a bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when placed on wing. Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge did you start.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Here are pics of the "wing walk" area where you can see some of the abuse it has taken. The wing area underneath is in excellent condition.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Quote:
FWIW: I have had "wing walk" on my airplane since 2008 and am glad I have it. My airplane now has over 1,200 flying hrs, and counting, with the "wing walk" showing all the abuse it has taken. All that abuse on the "wing walk" area is abuse the wing did not take so the wing is still in very good condition. When the "wing walk" area eventually wears enough, I will replace it with new material. I guess there is a reason that many low wing airplanes come from the factory with "wing walk" tape. YMMV      

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2/28/2017

Hello Robert, I have never understood the desire to glue some very coarse black sandpaper on the inboard top of the wings of an aircraft that I was building and planning to fly myself. Maybe for some rental airplane that may make some sense, but not for one of our home builts.

What does make sense to me is to purchase some non adhesive rubberized shelf or tool drawer liner (Similar to these):

https://www.walmart.com/c/kp/shelf-liner

and cut four pieces of the appropriate length and width, two sized for the wing walk and two sized for laying over the door sill when getting in or out or working on the plane.

Once all occupants are seated in the airplane it is very easy to ball up (or fold up if you are a neat nick) and stow the shelf liners behind the heels of the copilot. This is otherwise unoccupied space.

I have flown my airplane for over 10 years and never encountered a problem unless the wind was blowing so hard that the wing walks wanted to fly away before stowing them. II t was usually pretty easy to find some weight (nav bag or whatever) to anchor the wing walks in that situation until it was time to stow them before flight.

Try it -- it is a low cost, very convenient solution and if you eventually don't like it you can always go the coarse black sand paper route.

OC

PS: Along the same line of protecting my airplane's finish I have purchased some camp sleeping pad or exercise mats (here are some examples):

https://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6432-Therm-a-Rest-RidgeRest-Classic/dp/B00HANOY9I/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1503974286&sr=8-6&keywords=camp+sleeping+pad

and I keep these pads on the top surface of the wings whenever the airplane is in the hangar. Makes great paint protection from tools, parts, battery charger, etc.

===================

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To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Wing walk

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Hi Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to about 17 by
36 and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge. This leaves
about 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think it needed it. I
used some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping. I'll try
attaching a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply so be
sweet to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some bubbles to
roll out. I used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish off
the socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a short piece
of pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I found foamy
bath cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy building.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

ALL,
Thank you for your input and especially the photos, they are a great help. As usual there is a diverse set of opinions and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to consider before placing something permanent or near permanent on my wing top. OC, I agree with you and were I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing. I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem here in Texas summers. White, as noted, is a dirt magnet but should be cooler. Where to start the wing walk on the leading edge or back several inches was my first question and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener. I can easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to avoid. Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.
Thank you all for your input,
Bob Reed

From: Ed Hanson <hansoncp(at)netnitco.net>
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Wing walk


Hi Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to about 17 by

36 and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge. This leaves

about 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think it needed it. I

used some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping. I'll try

attaching a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply so be

sweet to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some bubbles to

roll out. I used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish off

the socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a short piece

of pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I found foamy

bath cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy building.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

On my older DA-40 the wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on nonskid. Newer DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1" apart. Attached are pictures.
www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385
You can also find transparent nonskid tape.
www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174

Gray might now show the dirt as much. In any case I think this tape looks better for longer even in white. I have this in white on my boat and it looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an aircraft.

When I repaint my DA-40, I plan on using the 1" stripe method. I am not so sure this really has less drag but I think it looks better and still works great as a wing walk without adding too much heat..

I plan on doing similar to my TR-1 and TR-4.

Mark K.

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On Wed, 8/30/17, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: Wing walk
To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 1:14 PM

ALL,
Thank
you for your input and especially the photos, they are a
great help.  As usual there is a diverse set of opinions
and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to
consider before placing something permanent or near
permanent on my wing top.   OC, I agree with you and were
I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable
mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having
to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing. 
I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but
quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem
here in Texas summers.  White, as noted, is a dirt magnet
but should be cooler.  Where to start the wing walk on the
leading edge or back several inches was my first question
and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener.  I can
easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting
into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to
avoid.  Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk
confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be
sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.
Thank
you all for your input,
Bob
Reed


From: Ed Hanson
<hansoncp(at)netnitco.net>
To:
kis-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August
29, 2017 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List:
Wing walk

Hi
Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to
about 17 by
36
and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge.
This leaves
about
5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think
it needed it. I
used
some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping.
I'll try
attaching
a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply
so be
sweet
to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some
bubbles to
roll out. I
used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish
off
the
socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a
short piece
of
pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I
found foamy
bath
cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy
building.

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From:
"Robert Reed" <robertr237(at)att.net>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent:
Monday, August 28, 2017 10:29 AM
Subject:
Wing walk


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>
Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I
finish interior
>
panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12
inch was
> really a
bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when
placed on
> wing.
Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge
did you
> start.
>
> Bob Reed
> Sent from my
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Yep i'm with Mark ... i have the Black non slip stripes ... work great and
available in White too ..,
Cheers Graham .
Ps ... A recently completed 540 powered Glassair visited our Field yesterday
.. real eye catcher ... cruel to see the Pax step up and shoe twist/screw
on the fresh White Paint getting into the cockpit !!!!! ( ie no wingwalk )
--------------------------------------------------
From: "M Ketteing" <aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Wing walk

Quote:
On my older DA-40 the wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on
nonskid. Newer DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1"
apart. Attached are pictures.
www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385
You can also find transparent nonskid tape.
www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174

Gray might now show the dirt as much. In any case I think this tape looks
better for longer even in white. I have this in white on my boat and it
looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an aircraft.

When I repaint my DA-40, I plan on using the 1" stripe method. I am not
so sure this really has less drag but I think it looks better and still
works great as a wing walk without adding too much heat..

I plan on doing similar to my TR-1 and TR-4.

Mark K.

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/30/17, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: Wing walk
To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 1:14 PM

ALL,
Thank
you for your input and especially the photos, they are a
great help. As usual there is a diverse set of opinions
and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to
consider before placing something permanent or near
permanent on my wing top. OC, I agree with you and were
I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable
mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having
to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing.
I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but
quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem
here in Texas summers. White, as noted, is a dirt magnet
but should be cooler. Where to start the wing walk on the
leading edge or back several inches was my first question
and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener. I can
easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting
into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to
avoid. Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk
confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be
sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.
Thank
you all for your input,
Bob
Reed
From: Ed Hanson
<hansoncp(at)netnitco.net>
To:
kis-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August
29, 2017 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List:
Wing walk

Hi
Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to
about 17 by
36
and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge.
This leaves
about
5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think
it needed it. I
used
some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping.
I'll try
attaching
a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply
so be
sweet
to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some
bubbles to
roll out. I
used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish
off
the
socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a
short piece
of
pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I
found foamy
bath
cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy
building.

----- Original Message
-----
From:
"Robert Reed" <robertr237(at)att.net>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent:
Monday, August 28, 2017 10:29 AM
Subject:
Wing walk
> --> KIS-List
message posted by: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>
>
>
Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I
finish interior
>
panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12
inch was
> really a
bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when
placed on
> wing.
Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge
did you
> start.
>
> Bob Reed
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

OK, I give up. How did you get to reply to a posting from M Ketteing that I haven't seen yet since is was sent tomorrow?
From: "M Ketteing" <aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com (aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com)>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM
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From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Wing walk


--> KIS-List message posted by: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au (gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au)>

Yep i'm with Mark ... i have the Black non slip stripes ... work great and

available in White too ..,

Cheers Graham .

Ps ... A recently completed 540 powered Glassair visited our Field yesterday

... real eye catcher ... cruel to see the Pax step up and shoe twist/screw

on the fresh White Paint getting into the cockpit !!!!! ( ie no wingwalk )

--------------------------------------------------

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM

To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Re: Wing walk

Quote:
On my older DA-40 the wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on

Quote:
nonskid. Newer DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1"

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apart. Attached are pictures.

Quote:
www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385

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You can also find transparent nonskid tape.

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www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174

Quote:


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Gray might now show the dirt as much. In any case I think this tape looks

Quote:
better for longer even in white. I have this in white on my boat and it

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looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an aircraft.

Quote:


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When I repaint my DA-40, I plan on using the 1" stripe method. I am not

Quote:
so sure this really has less drag but I think it looks better and still

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works great as a wing walk without adding too much heat..

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I plan on doing similar to my TR-1 and TR-4.

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Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 1:14 PM

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ALL,

Quote:
Thank

Quote:
you for your input and especially the photos, they are a

Quote:
great help. As usual there is a diverse set of opinions

Quote:
and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to

Quote:
consider before placing something permanent or near

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permanent on my wing top. OC, I agree with you and were

Quote:
I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable

Quote:
mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having

Quote:
to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing.

Quote:
I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but

Quote:
quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem

Quote:
here in Texas summers. White, as noted, is a dirt magnet

Quote:
but should be cooler. Where to start the wing walk on the

Quote:
leading edge or back several inches was my first question

Quote:
and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener. I can

Quote:
easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting

Quote:
into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to

Quote:
avoid. Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk

Quote:
confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be

Quote:
sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.

Quote:
Thank

Quote:
you all for your input,

Quote:
Bob

Quote:
Reed

Quote:


Quote:


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From: Ed Hanson

Quote:
<hansoncp(at)netnitco.net (hansoncp(at)netnitco.net)>

Quote:
To:

Quote:
kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

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29, 2017 8:36 PM

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Subject: Re: KIS-List:

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Wing walk

Quote:


Quote:
Hi

Quote:
Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to

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about 17 by

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36

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and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge.

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This leaves

Quote:
about

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5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think

Quote:
it needed it. I

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used

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some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping.

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I'll try

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attaching

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a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply

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so be

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sweet

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to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some

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bubbles to

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roll out. I

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used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish

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off

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the

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socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a

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short piece

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of

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pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I

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found foamy

Quote:
bath

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cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy

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building.

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bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Just one of those life mysteries ... probably a Date Line thing ... ; ) ... doesn't work for Stocks tho ; (


From: Robert Reed (robertr237(at)att.net)
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:27 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Wing walk


OK, I give up. How did you get to reply to a posting from M Ketteing that I haven't seen yet since is was sent tomorrow?


From: "M Ketteing" <aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com (aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com)>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM


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To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Wing walk


--> KIS-List message posted by: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au (gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.au)>



Yep i'm with Mark ... i have the Black non slip stripes .. work great and

available in White too .,

Cheers Graham .

Ps ... A recently completed 540 powered Glassair visited our Field yesterday

... real eye catcher ... cruel to see the Pax step up and shoe twist/screw

on the fresh White Paint getting into the cockpit !!!!! ( ie no wingwalk )





--------------------------------------------------

From: "M Ketteing" <aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com (aeromomentum(at)yahoo.com)>

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:40 AM

To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Re: Wing walk



> On my older DA-40 the wing walk is about 18" wide and light gray stick on

> nonskid. Newer DA-40s use 1" wide gray nonskid tape spaced about 1"

> apart. Attached are pictures.

> www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-Roll-Rubberized-Anti-Slip-Safety-Tape-Non-Skid-Stair-Grip-Boat-Gray-/152673817385

> You can also find transparent nonskid tape.

> www.ebay.com/itm/PEVA-Anti-Slip-Non-Skid-Tape-Stair-Step-Floor-Safety-Grip-Walkways-Adhesive-/192239500174

>

> Gray might now show the dirt as much. In any case I think this tape looks

> better for longer even in white. I have this in white on my boat and it

> looks great after years of harder use than you will see in an aircraft.

>

> When I repaint my DA-40, I plan on using the 1" stripe method. I am not

> so sure this really has less drag but I think it looks better and still

> works great as a wing walk without adding too much heat..

>

> I plan on doing similar to my TR-1 and TR-4.

>

> Mark K.

>

> --------------------------------------------

> On Wed, 8/30/17, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: Wing walk

> To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)" <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>

> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 1:14 PM

>

> ALL,

> Thank

> you for your input and especially the photos, they are a

> great help. As usual there is a diverse set of opinions

> and solutions, all of which gave me some serious things to

> consider before placing something permanent or near

> permanent on my wing top. OC, I agree with you and were

> I a younger man with a younger wife the idea of a removable

> mat would be at the top of my list but the reality of having

> to put it out and take it up every time is not appealing.

> I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but

> quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem

> here in Texas summers. White, as noted, is a dirt magnet

> but should be cooler. Where to start the wing walk on the

> leading edge or back several inches was my first question

> and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener. I can

> easily see that damage to the leading edge while getting

> into the plane with the retractable step would be hard to

> avoid. Ed, seeing you photo of the 17 inch wide walk

> confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be

> sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.

> Thank

> you all for your input,

> Bob

> Reed

>

>

> From: Ed Hanson

> <hansoncp(at)netnitco.net (hansoncp(at)netnitco.net)>

> To:

> kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

> Sent: Tuesday, August

> 29, 2017 8:36 PM

> Subject: Re: KIS-List:

> Wing walk

>

> Hi

> Bob, I used the white wing walk from Spruce. I trimmed it to

> about 17 by

> 36

> and started it about 2 inches back from the leading edge.

> This leaves

> about

> 5 inches of the aft wing not covered as I didn't think

> it needed it. I

> used

> some small pieces on the brake pedals to prevent slipping.

> I'll try

> attaching

> a photo of the walk. FYI, this is a two person job to apply

> so be

> sweet

> to your wife in the next few days. Also it will have some

> bubbles to

> roll out. I

> used a large deep socket as a roller and it took the finish

> off

> the

> socket and the skin off my hand as I smoothed it out. Get a

> short piece

> of

> pipe to use as a roller. This stuff just attracts dirt. I

> found foamy

> bath

> cleaner and a bristle brush to work best to clean it. Happy

> building.

>

> ----- Original Message

> -----

> From:

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> To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>

> Sent:

> Monday, August 28, 2017 10:29 AM

> Subject:

> Wing walk

>

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> > --> KIS-List

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> >

> >

> Wings are mounted and in interest of protecting them as I

> finish interior

> >

> panel and wiring I ordered my wing walk. I felt that the 12

> inch was

> > really a

> bit too narrow but the 24 inch looks way too wide when

> placed on

> > wing.

> Any personal experience to share and where from leading edge

> did you

> > start.

> >

> > Bob Reed

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:52 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

8/31/2017

Hello Robert, You wrote: “ OC, I agree with you and were I a younger man
with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of my
list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is
not appealing."

a) "... were I a younger man..."

Oh come on now. You are not over 84 years of age are you with a variety of
medical issues? I am and I don't find the movable protection any burden at
all.

b) Don't think mat (heavy, difficult to fold) instead think shelf or tool
tray liner (light, can easily be balled up (or folded if you insist)) and
tossed behind the co pilots heels.

c) Besides you are going to buy something (shelf or tool tray liner) to lay
over the door sills to protect them any time that you are working on the
airplane or getting in or out aren't you? If you don't do that pretty soon
your door sills will look mighty shabby. So as long as you are buying some
shelf or tool tray liner for the door sills you might as well cut some for
wing walks also. If it doesn't work for you then you can glue some sand
paper on the tops of your wings.

OC

====================================

From: Robert Reed
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:14 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Wing walk

ALL,
Thank you for your input and especially the photos, they are a great help.
As usual there is a diverse set of opinions and solutions, all of which gave
me some serious things to consider before placing something permanent or
near permanent on my wing top. OC, I agree with you and were I a younger
man with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of
my list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is
not appealing. I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but
quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem here in Texas
summers. White, as noted, is a dirt magnet but should be cooler. Where to
start the wing walk on the leading edge or back several inches was my first
question and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener. I can easily see
that damage to the leading edge while getting into the plane with the
retractable step would be hard to avoid. Ed, seeing you photo of the 17
inch wide walk confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be
sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.
Thank you all for your input,
Bob Reed


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:21 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

A younger wife is the answer to many problems.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:01 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

OR the start of many more problems.....

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:11 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

A few thoughts:
A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple".  The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.
I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step.  That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?
I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics).  If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.

Al
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:26 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

a) "... were I a younger man..."

Oh come on now. You are not over 84 years of age are you with a variety of
medical issues? I am and I don't find the movable protection any burden at
all.


NO, I am not but I may be someday soon and I believe in planning ahead rather than regretting the past. That's why I am designing my new retirement home to be completely barrier free with wide doors and zero steps.

b) Don't think mat (heavy, difficult to fold) instead think shelf or tool
tray liner (light, can easily be balled up (or folded if you insist)) and
tossed behind the co pilots heels.


Never thought heavy or difficult to fold but did think about easily forgotten or tripping hazard if not laid our properly.

c) Besides you are going to buy something (shelf or tool tray liner) to lay
over the door sills to protect them any time that you are working on the
airplane or getting in or out aren't you? If you don't do that pretty soon
your door sills will look mighty shabby. So as long as you are buying some
shelf or tool tray liner for the door sills you might as well cut some for
wing walks also. If it doesn't work for you then you can glue some sand
paper on the tops of your wings.

Door sills are one thing the wing walking area is another. Safety is my first concern and looks are taking a back seat.
From: OC <bakerocb(at)cox.net>
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com; REED ROBERT <robertr237(at)att.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing walk


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8/31/2017

Hello Robert, You wrote: “ OC, I agree with you and were I a younger man

with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of my

list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is

not appealing."

a) "... were I a younger man..."

Oh come on now. You are not over 84 years of age are you with a variety of

medical issues? I am and I don't find the movable protection any burden at

all.

b) Don't think mat (heavy, difficult to fold) instead think shelf or tool

tray liner (light, can easily be balled up (or folded if you insist)) and

tossed behind the co pilots heels.

c) Besides you are going to buy something (shelf or tool tray liner) to lay

over the door sills to protect them any time that you are working on the

airplane or getting in or out aren't you? If you don't do that pretty soon

your door sills will look mighty shabby. So as long as you are buying some

shelf or tool tray liner for the door sills you might as well cut some for

wing walks also. If it doesn't work for you then you can glue some sand

paper on the tops of your wings.

OC

====================================

From: Robert Reed

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:14 PM

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Wing walk

ALL,

Thank you for your input and especially the photos, they are a great help.

As usual there is a diverse set of opinions and solutions, all of which gave

me some serious things to consider before placing something permanent or

near permanent on my wing top. OC, I agree with you and were I a younger

man with a younger wife the idea of a removable mat would be at the top of

my list but the reality of having to put it out and take it up every time is

not appealing. I also considered the black wing walk as a first choice but

quickly considered the heat buildup as being a real problem here in Texas

summers. White, as noted, is a dirt magnet but should be cooler. Where to

start the wing walk on the leading edge or back several inches was my first

question and Galin, your photo was really an eye opener. I can easily see

that damage to the leading edge while getting into the plane with the

retractable step would be hard to avoid. Ed, seeing you photo of the 17

inch wide walk confirmed my thought of 18 inches or a little less should be

sufficient but 12" is just too narrow.

Thank you all for your input,

Bob Reed

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:48 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Al,

Totally agree with everything you said. I hate the thought of putting something on the wing that disturbs the finish or the air flow. I cringed at the thought that the Dynon GPS 2020 antenna needed to be mounted on the outside of the fuselage rather than on the inside. I spent many hours and years trying to build the perfect airplane with the perfect finish but instead of finishing and flying that airplane I spent too many hours obsessing over things that were more cosmetic than functional. As a result, it has cost me more time and money than I could ever imagine and still it is not near perfect nor will it ever be perfect. My only goal now is to finish the plane and make it as safe as possible. If the white wing walk turns gray from use then I will be happy as hell. Right now, I can't look at the plane without seeing every single flaw but that's because I can't yet enjoy the ability to lift off the ground and fly.
I know that in the future others will look at the plane and be critical of the finish on the wings, the various flaws in the paint, or the amateur upholstery work. The lower cowling has already and will continue to get some critical remarksand I will be the first to say I don't like it but it solved a problem at the time. As it turns out, the problem (FADEC) has been discarded at a very high cost and would no longer require the solution but it is done and will remain until long after the first flight. That once would have bothered me and I would have totally redone the entire thing but not now. I am resigned to the fact that finishing and flying is more important than show quality and perfection.


Bob Reed
PS: I apologize to every builder whom I mentally criticized for some flaw or lack of finish detail that I have seen over the years. I have now walked the mile in your shoes and have the blisters to prove it.
From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:12 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing walk
A few thoughts:A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple". The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.

I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step. That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?

I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics). If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.
Al

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

Here is a photo of my GPS antennas (Dynon and Garmin 430W) installation under the glareshield. If you make the glareshield out of fiberglass, you don't even need the phonelic cut outs. 

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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What says you have to mount the DYNON GPS-2020 on the outside of the fuselage? I have had mine mounted under the glare shield inside the airplane since 2012 with no problem. REMEMBER you are flying inside a big fiberglass radome which is 100% transparent to RF signals.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:
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Al,

Totally agree with everything you said.  I hate the thought of putting something on the wing that disturbs the finish or the air flow.  I cringed at the thought that the Dynon GPS 2020 antenna needed to be mounted on the outside of the fuselage rather than on the inside.  I spent many hours and years trying to build the perfect airplane with the perfect finish but instead of finishing and flying that airplane I spent too many hours obsessing over things that were more cosmetic than functional.  As a result, it has cost me more time and money than I could ever  imagine and still it is not near perfect nor will it ever be perfect.  My only goal now is to finish the plane and make it as safe as possible.  If the white wing walk turns gray from use then I will be happy as hell.  Right now, I can't look at the plane without seeing every single flaw but that's because I can't yet enjoy the ability to lift off the ground and fly.
I know that in the future others will look at the plane and be critical of the finish on the wings, the various flaws in the paint, or the amateur upholstery work.  The lower cowling has already and will continue to get some critical remarks and I will be the first to say I don't like it but it solved a problem at the time.  As it turns out, the problem (FADEC) has been discarded at a very high cost and would no longer require the solution but it is done and will remain until long after the first flight.   That once would have bothered me and I would have totally redone the entire thing but not now.  I am resigned to the fact that finishing and flying is more important than show quality and perfection.


Bob Reed
PS:  I apologize to every builder whom I mentally criticized for some flaw or lack of finish detail that I have seen over the years.  I have now walked the mile in your shoes and have the blisters to prove it.
From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Wing walk
A few thoughts:A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple".  The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.

I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step.  That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?

I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics).  If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.
Al

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:25 am    Post subject: Wing walk Reply with quote

What says you have to mount the DYNON GPS-2020 on the outside of the fuselage? I have had mine mounted under the glare shield inside the airplane since 2012 with no problem. REMEMBER you are flying inside a big fiberglass radome which is 100% transparent to RF signals.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:
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Al,

Totally agree with everything you said.  I hate the thought of putting something on the wing that disturbs the finish or the air flow.  I cringed at the thought that the Dynon GPS 2020 antenna needed to be mounted on the outside of the fuselage rather than on the inside.  I spent many hours and years trying to build the perfect airplane with the perfect finish but instead of finishing and flying that airplane I spent too many hours obsessing over things that were more cosmetic than functional.  As a result, it has cost me more time and money than I could ever  imagine and still it is not near perfect nor will it ever be perfect.  My only goal now is to finish the plane and make it as safe as possible.  If the white wing walk turns gray from use then I will be happy as hell.  Right now, I can't look at the plane without seeing every single flaw but that's because I can't yet enjoy the ability to lift off the ground and fly.
I know that in the future others will look at the plane and be critical of the finish on the wings, the various flaws in the paint, or the amateur upholstery work.  The lower cowling has already and will continue to get some critical remarks and I will be the first to say I don't like it but it solved a problem at the time.  As it turns out, the problem (FADEC) has been discarded at a very high cost and would no longer require the solution but it is done and will remain until long after the first flight.   That once would have bothered me and I would have totally redone the entire thing but not now.  I am resigned to the fact that finishing and flying is more important than show quality and perfection.


Bob Reed
PS:  I apologize to every builder whom I mentally criticized for some flaw or lack of finish detail that I have seen over the years.  I have now walked the mile in your shoes and have the blisters to prove it.
From: Alfred Rosa <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Wing walk
A few thoughts:A removable mat like a pilates mat is very light and good protection however it makes for another step so is not "keeping it simple".  The same could be said for removable screw eyes for tie down lines.

I saw a Lancair once that had the wing walk material cut into the shape of shoe prints and placed in specific spots where a person would have to step.  That seemed anal to me and what if the person had a different size shoe or wore heels?

I would use a 16" wing walk material that's battleship gray instead of black or white since black overheats and white gets grayish shoe marks (see Galin's pics).  If they don't make it in wing walk material then paint with a grit mixture can be used.
Al

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